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I was talking to a friend who is a black guy who grew up in the 60's & 70's, as I did. His father had a good job, and they wanted to get him out of his urban school district, and to the burbs where the schools were better, but no one would sell a house to a black man. They finally did get one due to the efforts of a sympathetic real estate guy.
These sympathetic real estate guy performed a classic " block busting": he sold a house on a white block to a black family, all whites then would run to sell their houses, too, scared that their property values were taking a dive (they were right) and in the end the real estate guy made a fortune on commissions and moved his attention to another block. I bet that real estate guy is a millionaire now. Sorry for the sidebar.
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We could use a pragmatic approach like we do for anti-discrimination laws related to hiring and employment. It's against the law to discriminate based on protected classes in hiring/employment, except we do carve out pragmatic exceptions. You can discriminate based on sex if hiring for a restroom attendant, lingerie model, etc.
We could also use a Constitutional test (in fact, I'd argue we're required to). If requiring a service would result in violating a Constitutional right, then the anti-discrimination law can't be applied in that circumstance.
you mean that my 1st amendment right to freedom of religion (not be forced to sell a wedding cake for what I religiously believe is worse then murder) should be a pragmatic exception
We could also use a Constitutional test (in fact, I'd argue we're required to). If requiring a service would result in violating a Constitutional right, then the anti-discrimination law can't be applied in that circumstance.
Baking and selling a cake is in no way whatsoever religious, however, so applying this anti-discrimination law to bakeries does not implicate the 1st Amendment.
you mean that my 1st amendment right to freedom of religion (not be forced to sell a wedding cake for what I religiously believe is worse then murder) should be a pragmatic exception
Your religion teaches you that gay weddings are worse than murder?
I want you (don't quote judges who flunked basic reading comprehension) to show me the words in the constitution that forbids the government from banning "discrimination" by a prostitute, and then give me a logical explanation of those words that would not also forbid the government from banning "discrimination" by a baker.
for example here's why the government force a bakery owned by a religious person to sell a wedding cake for a same sex "wedding
text of Constitution
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
interpretation
Since many religions forbid selling a wedding cake for a same sex "wedding", the government can't force a baker to violate his religion, and by allowing a law that if effect says no person from those religions can sell wedding cakes, such a law would interfere with millions of people's free exercise of their religion
follow the same type of format to disallow "discrimination" by prostitutes, yet would not also apply to a baker.
If you invent any "implied" rights make sure you explain them in full detail, and also please explain to me why those implied right are more important then the one stated explicitly that I quoted from, which is the only reason that this country ever was blessed. (If not for the real rights you hate so much My ancestors never would have left Europe)
Baking and selling a cake is in no way whatsoever religious, however, so applying this anti-discrimination law to bakeries does not implicate the 1st Amendment.
my religion know as Judaism that is over 3,000 years old forbids selling a wedding cake for a same sex "marriage"
YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT MY RELIGION DICTATES
You know my religion if you wish to call it that, says I cannot associate outside my tribe.
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