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The bold is so ironic considering you are on a thread started by a Libertarian bashing liberals.
Also, You are actually wrong about the Religion thing. They poll these things and the Leaders of your party call Democrats godless all the time and run on "Christian values". Even your legislative pushes are about religion alot of the time.
The second bold makes no sense either, debt in this nation hasnt gone down since the 1800's, That means you have had about 20 Republican that you have re-categorized as liberal .
I never heard that. Telling us what we believe again?
I have never heard a single republican advocate for a 0% tax rate, so by definition, they all do that. Its just a debate over the amount.
Your comment is about the purest fallacy i have seen in a while.
Who wants government to advocate a 0% tax rate? Why do liberals take everything that is said to an "extreme"? Do you have comprehension problems. You learn the liberal way well, attack anyone who you don't agree with. Think about that and your friend... you know what I mean. Get a grip, seriously.
We need to pay taxes but everyone should have skin and pay. And anyone who said they advocated a 0% tax rate I wouldn't vote for because they would be as full of bulls** as liberals are.
I think I'm finally come to the realization I am not a liberal anymore. I see where liberalism is headed, and its all about somebody else controlling your life, telling you what to do- the reaction to electronic cigarettes in my mind is proof of that. I'm a vaper and I just see the reaction to e-cigs on the part of supposedly enlightened people in places like New York or Los Angeles as hysteria. I also had a huge setback in my life when I lost my driver's license at age 36, on purely subjective grounds (my vision is 20/30 in one eye, 20/40 in the other) and had to wade through a government beaurocracy only to end in my defeat and loss of my license, never to get it back. Then I started realizing liberalism is like that in general. It's about funding beaurocracies to control other peoples lives, even though in many cases individuals know what is best for their own life better than some person sitting in a cubicle in an office drawing a government salary. In the name of the greater good, they will take away your rights and destroy your life. Your suffering is just collateral damage they don't care about.
It ends here, I won't support this madness anymore. Time to stop the government beaurocracy being welfare programs for liberal arts grads. I realized my uncle is right, a Republican is just a Democrat that got mugged.
The only problem: I can't really identify as a Republican. I'm irreligious and I'd like churches and "Christian values" kept out of my life. Until the Republican party makes room for those of us that don't base our values on a moldy old book full of superstitions, I guess I'll be apolitical.
A lot on both sides really down deep are libertarians or lean that way, you are certainly one of them. I do want to clear up one thing though: don't think the Republican party is all represented by right wing, religious evangelicals. Here is an example: one of our grandchildren, who is as far to the right as anyone I have even known is also either a atheist or agnostic. We just do not discuss religion anymore, she gets too upset. I will add she is still in her 20s. Her husband, comes from a Christian family, very conservative and he shares her views on God as well. I know a lot of others that feel the same and I know a lot of Democrats that are very religious. The left is baiting many by claiming only one party are over the top when it comes to religion. You will never find a party you can agree with 100%. Heck you won't find anyone you agree with 100%. I don't even agree with myself 100%.
This has been a good discussion. I suppose I will vote independent and decide on the merits of the candidates, not the ideologies of the parties.
After years of thinking of myself as a liberal, it's shocking to find many so-called progressives and liberals dedicated to the same kind of irrationality I assosciated with the far right. E-cigs are the perfect example. A free society doesn't demand that people prove something absolutely safe before adults can engage in that activity, that would be unreasonable for anybody to have to prove (another example, prove that eating a hamburger is perfectly safe.... you cannot!). So the e-cig issue has exposed, at least in my thinking, the soft anti-intellectualism, sentimentalism, and even bigotry of the Left in this country.
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