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Old 03-08-2014, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Central Florida
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I think I'm finally come to the realization I am not a liberal anymore. I see where liberalism is headed, and its all about somebody else controlling your life, telling you what to do- the reaction to electronic cigarettes in my mind is proof of that. I'm a vaper and I just see the reaction to e-cigs on the part of supposedly enlightened people in places like New York or Los Angeles as hysteria. I also had a huge setback in my life when I lost my driver's license at age 36, on purely subjective grounds (my vision is 20/30 in one eye, 20/40 in the other) and had to wade through a government beaurocracy only to end in my defeat and loss of my license, never to get it back. Then I started realizing liberalism is like that in general. It's about funding beaurocracies to control other peoples lives, even though in many cases individuals know what is best for their own life better than some person sitting in a cubicle in an office drawing a government salary. In the name of the greater good, they will take away your rights and destroy your life. Your suffering is just collateral damage they don't care about.

It ends here, I won't support this madness anymore. Time to stop the government beaurocracy being welfare programs for liberal arts grads. I realized my uncle is right, a Republican is just a Democrat that got mugged.

The only problem: I can't really identify as a Republican. I'm irreligious and I'd like churches and "Christian values" kept out of my life. Until the Republican party makes room for those of us that don't base our values on a moldy old book full of superstitions, I guess I'll be apolitical.
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Old 03-08-2014, 02:11 PM
 
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Is this a joke?

You won't lose your license if your vision is a little off. My vision is vastly worse, and corrected to just fine. If refuse correction then yes...if you can't see you shouldn't be driving. There is nothing subjective or wrong about that if you fail the threshold and refuse.

As for e-cigs my personal opinion is that if it is not going to cause acute damage or immediate dependence...let people do it. In LA and New York they are banning them in the same way as regular cigarettes...because other people don't want to be breathing your smoke. You can inhale all you want, but if others don't want to be forced to it is their right not to be force to inhale your drug of choice. To me that is libertarian...that people's choices are not infringing on the rights of the people around them.

Regulations are important...like food labeling, making sure food/water is safe, medications have their active ingredient, and doctors can practice medicine. There is nothing about freedom to allow people to put anything they feel like into your food, not inform you what is in it, and when you get sick allow some one to lie about being medically trained to treat you with pills made from Chinese newspapers.
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Old 03-08-2014, 02:14 PM
 
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I think I'm finally come to the realization I am not a liberal anymore. I see where liberalism is headed, and its all about somebody else controlling your life, telling you what to do- the reaction to electronic cigarettes in my mind is proof of that. I'm a vaper and I just see the reaction to e-cigs on the part of supposedly enlightened people in places like New York or Los Angeles as hysteria. I also had a huge setback in my life when I lost my driver's license at age 36, on purely subjective grounds (my vision is 20/30 in one eye, 20/40 in the other) and had to wade through a government beaurocracy only to end in my defeat and loss of my license, never to get it back. Then I started realizing liberalism is like that in general. It's about funding beaurocracies to control other peoples lives, even though in many cases individuals know what is best for their own life better than some person sitting in a cubicle in an office drawing a government salary. In the name of the greater good, they will take away your rights and destroy your life. Your suffering is just collateral damage they don't care about.

It ends here, I won't support this madness anymore. Time to stop the government beaurocracy being welfare programs for liberal arts grads. I realized my uncle is right, a Republican is just a Democrat that got mugged.

The only problem: I can't really identify as a Republican. I'm irreligious and I'd like churches and "Christian values" kept out of my life. Until the Republican party makes room for those of us that don't base our values on a moldy old book full of superstitions, I guess I'll be apolitical.
Here is the problem! You never where a "Liberal" to begin with.
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Old 03-08-2014, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Central Florida
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Is this a joke?

You won't lose your license if your vision is a little off. My vision is vastly worse, and corrected to just fine. If refuse correction then yes...if you can't see you shouldn't be driving. There is nothing subjective or wrong about that if you fail the threshold and refuse.
No, it's no joke. I have congenital nystagmus. I was never told that I shouldn't be driving by my doctor. But some state-payed beaurocrat, college educated but ignorant, decided congenital nystagmus is a scary thing and I shouldn't be on the road. Ironically, I went to this place for help finding a job. I have Asperger's and have had trouble finding work. Some help, huh? Crazy!

My vision is 20/30, 20/40 corrected. My eyes are not perfect but as I said, I got a license with them.

With help like this, I don't need enemies.
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Old 03-08-2014, 02:21 PM
 
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I think I'm finally come to the realization I am not a liberal anymore. I see where liberalism is headed, and its all about somebody else controlling your life, telling you what to do- the reaction to electronic cigarettes in my mind is proof of that. I'm a vaper and I just see the reaction to e-cigs on the part of supposedly enlightened people in places like New York or Los Angeles as hysteria. I also had a huge setback in my life when I lost my driver's license at age 36, on purely subjective grounds (my vision is 20/30 in one eye, 20/40 in the other) and had to wade through a government beaurocracy only to end in my defeat and loss of my license, never to get it back. Then I started realizing liberalism is like that in general. It's about funding beaurocracies to control other peoples lives, even though in many cases individuals know what is best for their own life better than some person sitting in a cubicle in an office drawing a government salary. In the name of the greater good, they will take away your rights and destroy your life. Your suffering is just collateral damage they don't care about.

It ends here, I won't support this madness anymore. Time to stop the government beaurocracy being welfare programs for liberal arts grads. I realized my uncle is right, a Republican is just a Democrat that got mugged.

The only problem: I can't really identify as a Republican. I'm irreligious and I'd like churches and "Christian values" kept out of my life. Until the Republican party makes room for those of us that don't base our values on a moldy old book full of superstitions, I guess I'll be apolitical.
You don't need to become a Republican just because you have become disillusioned with the Democratic Party. There is a Libertarian Party and it sounds like that might be a better fit based on what you have shared here.
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Old 03-08-2014, 02:25 PM
 
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No, it's no joke. I have congenital nystagmus. I was never told that I shouldn't be driving by my doctor. But some state-payed beaurocrat, college educated but ignorant, decided congenital nystagmus is a scary thing and I shouldn't be on the road. Ironically, I went to this place for help finding a job. I have Asperger's and have had trouble finding work. Some help, huh? Crazy!

My vision is 20/30, 20/40 corrected. They are not perfect but as I said, I got a license with them.

With help like this, I don't need enemies.
Doctors don't determine if your vision is impaired enough to keep you from driving, the DMV is the determiner of that. If your eyesight is corrected and they are fine with you driving, while without correction it was not...it is not the disease that was scary it was your inability to see. There is something scary to anyone with more brain cells than teeth if some one is driving and cannot see.

The government also isn't the one telling companies not to hire people with Asperger's. That is the companies themselves making the determination, and hopefully not by your disorder. The government is working to prevent discrimination based on medical conditions....which is hard to prove unfortunately.
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Old 03-08-2014, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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I think I'm finally come to the realization I am not a liberal anymore. I see where liberalism is headed, and its all about somebody else controlling your life, telling you what to do- the reaction to electronic cigarettes in my mind is proof of that. I'm a vaper and I just see the reaction to e-cigs on the part of supposedly enlightened people in places like New York or Los Angeles as hysteria. I also had a huge setback in my life when I lost my driver's license at age 36, on purely subjective grounds (my vision is 20/30 in one eye, 20/40 in the other) and had to wade through a government beaurocracy only to end in my defeat and loss of my license, never to get it back. Then I started realizing liberalism is like that in general. It's about funding beaurocracies to control other peoples lives, even though in many cases individuals know what is best for their own life better than some person sitting in a cubicle in an office drawing a government salary. In the name of the greater good, they will take away your rights and destroy your life. Your suffering is just collateral damage they don't care about.

It ends here, I won't support this madness anymore. Time to stop the government beaurocracy being welfare programs for liberal arts grads. I realized my uncle is right, a Republican is just a Democrat that got mugged.

The only problem: I can't really identify as a Republican. I'm irreligious and I'd like churches and "Christian values" kept out of my life. Until the Republican party makes room for those of us that don't base our values on a moldy old book full of superstitions, I guess I'll be apolitical.
Man, I wish I could find my old post when there was all the talk about 16oz pop in NY. I made the comment that liberals will push for things like this until something that they like to do also starts getting attacked.

And here you are.

As for Republicans only being for "those who base their values on an old moldy book full of superstitions", you don't understand the Republican party at all. Now, that's not entirely your fault since the Republican party has been infiltrated with a bunch of useless Neo-cons who don't have a damn clue what being a true Conservative is, but I assure you, you don't have to be a bible worshiper. That's a liberal lie. Also, keep in mind, you'll find plenty of Dems who are Christians. Republicans do not have a monopoly on Christianity. You will find plenty of atheists who identify as Republicans.
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Old 03-08-2014, 02:39 PM
 
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I have a question, when you walk outside, can you recognize traffic symbols, signals, street signs? Can you recognize cars in the rear-view mirror? Can you read the numbers on the dashboard clearly? Can you spot objects like potholes and animals and children on the road?
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Old 03-08-2014, 03:00 PM
 
Location: USA
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I think I'm finally come to the realization I am not a liberal anymore. I see where liberalism is headed, and its all about somebody else controlling your life, telling you what to do- the reaction to electronic cigarettes in my mind is proof of that. I'm a vaper and I just see the reaction to e-cigs on the part of supposedly enlightened people in places like New York or Los Angeles as hysteria. I also had a huge setback in my life when I lost my driver's license at age 36, on purely subjective grounds (my vision is 20/30 in one eye, 20/40 in the other) and had to wade through a government beaurocracy only to end in my defeat and loss of my license, never to get it back. Then I started realizing liberalism is like that in general. It's about funding beaurocracies to control other peoples lives, even though in many cases individuals know what is best for their own life better than some person sitting in a cubicle in an office drawing a government salary. In the name of the greater good, they will take away your rights and destroy your life. Your suffering is just collateral damage they don't care about.

It ends here, I won't support this madness anymore. Time to stop the government beaurocracy being welfare programs for liberal arts grads. I realized my uncle is right, a Republican is just a Democrat that got mugged.

The only problem: I can't really identify as a Republican. I'm irreligious and I'd like churches and "Christian values" kept out of my life. Until the Republican party makes room for those of us that don't base our values on a moldy old book full of superstitions, I guess I'll be apolitical.

I think you're mistaken if you believe that conservatives in power can't or don't participate in bureaucratic nonsense, either by putting unnecessary oversight like in your case or ensuring that their buddies who helped them get elected get something in return. I don't think executive branch BS is a partisan issue and I'd check who actually instituted the rules that you're having problems with.

Both sides apply crappy science. Left wingers have problems with e-cigs and GMOs, right wingers think CO2 is harmless and (often) don't believe in evolution.

The general idea with regulations is that we're a community affected by the choices of others, and thus some choices must be controlled. There aren't any decisions that are truly free for everyone. Your freedom to burn tires on your lawn interferes with your neighbor's freedom to breathe clean air. You can eliminate as much government control as you want, but realize that you're really just giving the control to other people, and I certainly don't trust everyone out there to do what's safe or healthy for my family.
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Old 03-08-2014, 03:05 PM
 
Location: San Francisco born/raised - Las Vegas
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OP, no one group is any better than the other group. They all have their inherent flaws. The good news is that you have a choice.
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