Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
According to the 14th amendment, "anchor babies" should NOT be citizens of the US. The case between Elk v. Wilkins explain why "anchor babies" shouldn't be citizens of the US. These illegal aliens DON'T pay taxes so their offspring shouldn't be US citizens. The author of the 14th amendment senator Jacob M. Howard, said "he wanted to make clear that the simple accident of birth in the United States was not sufficient to justify citizenship". Foreigners, ALIENS, ambassadors or foreign ministers off spring are NOT citizens of the US.
According to the 14th amendment, "anchor babies" should NOT be citizens of the US.
How fascinating that the 14th Amendment never even mentions anchor babies.
Of course, at the time of its passage, such a concept would have been meaningless, since there were no such things as "illegal immigrants" then.
Quote:
Originally Posted by All American NYC
The case between Elk v. Wilkins explain why "anchor babies" shouldn't be citizens of the US. These illegal aliens DON'T pay taxes so their offspring shouldn't be US citizens. The author of the 14th amendment senator Jacob M. Howard, said "he wanted to make clear that the simple accident of birth in the United States was not sufficient to justify citizenship". Foreigners, ALIENS, ambassadors or foreign ministers off spring are NOT citizens of the US.
Actually, Senator Howard never said that. Your quotation refers to him in the 3rd person, so you have at best offered a quotation of a paraphrase.
When you actually look at what Howard did say, it was this:
Quote:
"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country." (emphasis added)
Note... he did not say "children of foreigners, aliens." He said "foreigners, aliens."
He then goes on to define exactly what he means by "foreigners, aliens." Those "who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers."
Actually, Senator Howard never said that. Your quotation refers to him in the 3rd person, so you have at best offered a quotation of a paraphrase.
When you actually look at what Howard did say, it was this:
Note... he did not say "children of foreigners, aliens." He said "foreigners, aliens."
He then goes on to define exactly what he means by "foreigners, aliens." Those "who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers."
Comprehension counts.
The same understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, "[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word.
Quote:
How fascinating that the 14th Amendment never even mentions anchor babies.
Of course, at the time of its passage, such a concept would have been meaningless, since there were no such things as "illegal immigrants" then.
Yes anchors are a new phenomena. They should have the citizenship of their parents country.
1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment.
"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
If it doesn't include people "born here" who are foreigners then he's referring to the children of foreigners.
It's in perfectly plain English. He tells you exactly who he means by "foreigners."
He is speaking exclusively about the children of ambassadors and diplomats... a class traditionally excluded from birthright citizenship by more than a half millennium of Anglo-American common law.
Not a lawyer, but it seems that the quote is on point to a layman;
This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens,
That would look to exactly refer to anchor babies.
That's only because you cut off the part where Jacobs tells who those "foreigners, aliens" actually are.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
