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Old 03-12-2014, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
My village would have removed it within 24 hours, in my neck of the, very conservative, woods. It would not be necessary for anyone to call. If they did not remove stuff, the snow plows and mowers would eat it.
It doesn't snow in Lake Elsinore.

It does snow less than 50 miles away, however.

 
Old 03-12-2014, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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The Vietnam memorial has no religious symbolism. It is a wall with the names of those Americans who gave their life for the Republic of South Vietnam, listed in the order that they died.
Well, they certainly gave their lives for the Republic of South Vietnam, but the reason why they are honored with the wall and on Memorial Day is because they gave their lives for the United States of America.
 
Old 03-12-2014, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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While I agree with the OP on the article, the whole premise that atheists are intolerant bigots is a lost cause.
How else would you describe a group that forces a memorial for a teen to be taken down simply because they have an irrational hatred of religion?
 
Old 03-12-2014, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I've seen plenty of roadside menmorials for members of law enforcement. I don't have a problem with it.
Good point.

There are numerous signs here in southern California, much bigger than 5 feet tall with the names of cops who died on duty.

Harrier wonders why the people who claim to be opposed to the roadside memorials because of the distraction element aren't up in arms about those memorials.

Could it be because they don't involve a cross?
 
Old 03-12-2014, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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A five foot tall cross is a road hazard depending on how close it is to the road. It is also a headache for the mowers. One or two is insignificant, but when dealing with tens or hundreds of crosses on public right of way, it becomes costly.
 
Old 03-12-2014, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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You equate a national memorial to a jury-rigged cross on the side of a darn highway? Seriously?

"This cross marks the spot where junior was shot by a cop during a high speed chase in a stolen car after he sideswiped three other cars and ran over an old man standing on the shoulder waiting for a bus. He was just a misunderstood lad whom we loved dearly and miss terribly."

You folks equating this issue to intolerance of religion and bigotry have no problem with the cross symbolizing Christ's sacrifice possibly being used to memorialize some crack head stoned out of his mind who took his own life and perhaps a couple of others while driving under the influence? Really?

Brother, what a lot of superficial and transparent sycophants we've all become thinking of this as an appropriate issue to tag with the buzz word of bigotry.

Seems like all you've got to do today to lend legitimacy to any hair-brained idea that comes along is to cloak it in religiosity so any and all who oppose can then be automatically labelled "bigots".
How does the placement of the cross affect you personally?
 
Old 03-12-2014, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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How else would you describe a group that forces a memorial for a teen to be taken down simply because they have an irrational hatred of religion?
Assumes facts not in evidence.
 
Old 03-12-2014, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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So, are you okay with paying extra taxes to maintain this gigantic cross?
Where did you read or hear that taxpayer money was being used to maintain the memorial?
 
Old 03-12-2014, 10:27 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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A five foot tall cross is a road hazard depending on how close it is to the road. It is also a headache for the mowers. One or two is insignificant, but when dealing with tens or hundreds of crosses on public right of way, it becomes costly.
So are trees and rocks.

Btw it is not a road hazard considering its beside the road, not on the actual road.
 
Old 03-12-2014, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Assumes facts not in evidence.
Not true.

There is no legitimate reason to oppose the cross that does not involve hatred and intolerance of Christianity.

This AHA group was offended by the cross and decided to take action, never mind that it was none of their business that a memorial was placed in Lake Elsinore(especially since they are 3,000 miles away in Washington D.C.), and the fact that they were not personally harmed by the cross being present on the highway.

The only motive we are left with then for this liberal organization is intolerance and bigotry.

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