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It is an interesting problem. Merit is an interesting criteria but it does have some problems. At the moment the elite UC schools are at or near 40% asian. Roughly 3 X their demographics percentage in CA.
Is that a good thing? It does not of course indicate that Asians are in fact 40% of the best minds in CA but rather that certainly family and cultural drives tends to get superior academic performance.
Black students are represented well below their demographic share. Non Hispanic whites are about on share though Hispanics take a beating.
For the first bold, that is because they have worked hard and deserve it.
For the second bold, I think black people could learn a thing or two from this. That would certainly be better than stealing the success of Asians.
All this does it take away any incentive for hispanics and blacks to put an effort in school, and what good does that do when they'll flunk out of college because they were unprepared? Is the solution to that to inflate their grades in college? What about when they apply for a job?
It is an interesting problem. Merit is an interesting criteria but it does have some problems. At the moment the elite UC schools are at or near 40% asian.
Nigerian Black people in the US don't need AA since they're "Asian" level or better in taking care of business.
Really? Or are Nigerian black people just utilizing a system that they greatly benefit from? Take those pretty statistics about Nigerian Americans with a grain of salt. Their success is not just their own. They have a lot to thank affirmative action for.
Never the less they are a good example of what other black people in America could be if they put their minds to it.
We were taught, at a very young age, to strive for perfection. We were told to worker harder than everyone else.
I started my studies at Berkeley in the fall of '76. My younger brothers and sisters all attended Berkeley, as well. My daughter attended Berkeley and Davis. I trust that my 3 year old grandson will have the same opportunity.
Limiting qualified Asian students admission sends the wrong message.
Because Asians are not in fact 40% of our intellectual elite. I suspect they may be more than their demographic share but by a small percentage not a factor of 3X.
So practically we are singling out Asians for special education privileges far above what they can legitimately claim.
And this is based upon certain cultural and family patterns and social workings that may in fact may make Asians less valuable then their premium education would indicate.
YOu need to walk carefully so that you don't get tripped up by standard Asian stereotypes. But the criteria being used is probably incomplete and not approaching the full need of the society. I remain somewhat skeptical of any groups that end up with 4.15 averages on a 4.0 base. The system is being worked. I would much rather see a system where the average is well below 4.0. And perhaps a lottery for enrollment for all those who meet a suitable score.
We are rewarding a particular stereotype for both Asians and everyone else. But they are not necessarily our best and brightest.
Really? Or are Nigerian black people just utilizing a system that they greatly benefit from? Take those pretty statistics about Nigerian Americans with a grain of salt. Their success is not just their own. They have a lot to thank affirmative action for.
Never the less they are a good example of what other black people in America could be if they put their minds to it.
Yes: "really". Nigerians are living proof there's NO need for AA based on skin color. Tho I'm def Ok with AA for our veterans, especially combat vets.
Yes: "really". Nigerians are living proof there's NO need for AA based on skin color. Tho I'm def Ok with AA for our veterans, especially combat vets.
I don't buy it for a second. I think that Nigerians are right in line with the American norm. It is just that affirmative action works to inflate their numbers when it comes to college graduation rates. I personally have never met a really successful Nigerian American. I have met countless cab drivers from Nigeria though.
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