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Old 03-15-2014, 01:42 PM
 
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Originally Posted by lammius View Post
I'd prefer that too, but too many state legislatures are controlled by politicians who support gay marriage bans. That, or they're too afraid of challengers in their party primary elections to take a stand and take these bans out. For them it's easier to hide and let the courts do the work on this.
That's pretty much it. Before the SCOTUS heard the DOMA case the Republicans were confident that nothing would happen, as the case unfolded it became pretty clear how the court was going to rule. They could have acted on their own, but instead they let the court do it.

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It doesn't make sense for marriage equality to come about legislatively. Marriage is a basic human right. Either officials should simply set aside the bans summarily because they're immoral and unconstitutional, or the courts should order them to. Passing a law allowing same-sex marriage promulgates the fiction that the voters have a right to say whether or not homosexuals can marry. Human rights aren't subject to voter whims.
Unless I'm mistaken, they wouldn't be passing a law allowing SSM so much as they would be repealing the laws that ban them.

 
Old 03-15-2014, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Why use the legislature when we can have the courts doing the legislating.

Much more efficient, no?

You can't have progress without using progressive ways of doing things
Liberal (or "progressive") ways are always unconstitutional.

The judiciary is not allowed to legislate from the bench.

Our republic has a separation of powers.
 
Old 03-15-2014, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Is it progressive when conservative Republican judges do it? You do realize it's the courts' job to determine the constitutionality of laws passed by the legislature right?
Actually, the job of the judiciary is to settle disputes according to law.
 
Old 03-15-2014, 02:10 PM
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Location: Florida
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Unless I'm mistaken, they wouldn't be passing a law allowing SSM so much as they would be repealing the laws that ban them.
Human rights are not something that is within voters' purview.
 
Old 03-15-2014, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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. Marriage is a basic human right.
Yes, but nothing about that right should involve government endorsement.

If homosexuals want to call themselves "married" then they should be free to have those ceremonies.

Harrier's tax dollars should not be used to give their commitment any recognition or benefits.
 
Old 03-15-2014, 02:21 PM
 
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Yes, but nothing about that right should involve government endorsement.

If homosexuals want to call themselves "married" then they should be free to have those ceremonies.

Harrier's tax dollars should not be used to give their commitment any recognition or benefits.
And by your point of view, a gay couple's tax dollars should not be used to give your commitment any recognition or benefits.
 
Old 03-15-2014, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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I guess my only question would be... Why would gay couples want to live in a red state like Tennessee??? They hold a "gay parade" here in Chicago every year. I can't imagine what would happen if they tried the same thing in some of these red states. But hey, for all I know, maybe such things do happen, and I'm just oblivious.
 
Old 03-15-2014, 05:24 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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Yes, but nothing about that right should involve government endorsement.

If homosexuals want to call themselves "married" then they should be free to have those ceremonies.

Harrier's tax dollars should not be used to give their commitment any recognition or benefits.
Yet is okay for the tax dollars of homosexuals to be used to subsidize heterosexual marriage, to give their commitments recognition and benefits?
 
Old 03-15-2014, 05:25 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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I guess my only question would be... Why would gay couples want to live in a red state like Tennessee??? They hold a "gay parade" here in Chicago every year. I can't imagine what would happen if they tried the same thing in some of these red states. But hey, for all I know, maybe such things do happen, and I'm just oblivious.
You do know that we live everywhere, right?
 
Old 03-15-2014, 05:29 PM
 
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I'm fed up with ____cakes.
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