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And again , this chart is a percentage of health cost compared to income. Not a measure of the dollar cost of healthcare.
2. The ACA went into affect in 2010.The fact that you dont know that is sad.
3. This chart was created in 2008. It says that at the bottom
2009 and 2010 were estimates, neither of which matter because... 1. this isnt a measure of cost, 2 because this chart wasnt created in 2010, it was created in 2008.
When i read your first comment, i thought maybe you just didnt see the flaw in your post, now im not sure if its that or if you are trolling.
Let me put it this way.
Its 2014 now, im Predicting the 2015 Superbowl champ are the Patriots . Its a PREDICTION, not a fact because 2015 isnt here yet. That is what this chart is.
Its a 2008 chart predicting the future. How do you not understand this ?
And you are actually claiming as fact of the Obamas predictions concerning cost, coverage and benefits of this law? You really are trying to have it both ways. Accept the predictions you like and try to belittle those that you don't like.
I guess you would know. Ignorant minds look to assign blame while intelligent minds look to fix a problem.
How are the Democrats looking to fix the problem? Just last week Harry Reid called everyone a liar that had issues with ACA...Is that how? By ignoring them? Well I guess he didnt assign blame, I'll give him that one, he's just completely ignorant that they exist, yeah, thats so much better..
Well, not themselves of course. No, there seems to be a growing trend to blame Romney. What?
Because Massachusetts has a workable plan that wasn't designed to scale to the size of the U.S and wasn't designed to adapt to the different states it is still Romney's fault. He should have seen that coming.
Even though Romney's plan did not increase taxes and had buy-in from both political parties still means that Romney is to blame when the Democrats could not get Obamacare to work. I think I see how they think now.
Democrat's credit Romney for Obamacare (they don't blame him for it.)
The same economist who designed Romneycare designed Obamacare. Republicans often say there are huge differences between the two, but they are the same thing, there are only differences in percentages.
You don't get it. If Romney introduced "Romneycare" to the nation all republicans would praise it while all liberals would point out its obvious inadequacies as compared to a "single payer program" like in Canada, for instance. It would be a "too late, to little mantra" all over the internet.
American politics with its partisan bickering: got to love it. Yes, you got to: you don't have a choice.
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Democrat's credit Romney for Obamacare (they don't blame him for it.)
The same economist who designed Romneycare designed Obamacare. Republicans often say there are huge differences between the two, but they are the same thing, there are only differences in percentages.
The rollout of the exchanges was a project from hell and responsibility for that lies within government.
The big bang roll out, as opposed to a phased -in, state by state, or region by region approach, was insanity.
There was no appointed Project Manager, responsible for all the moving parts.
There isn't a large corporation out there that has not learned these lessons the hard way. And some are still on the learning curve. Failure is a wonderful teacher.
Hard-pressed to find any politician who does not, now, acknowledge that U.S. healthcare was and remains broken. Thus far, the feeble Republican alternative pitches to " fix broken healthcare"/replace ACA have not gained traction, within their own party. let alone, across the table.
The ball has been and remains in the Republican court to replace or amend ACA. Not likely that's going to happen so long as they can milk it for all its worth.
I just returned from an appointment whereby the homeowner had Fox News on, in the background. Someone was yapping about Obamacare. The clients told me they wanted nothing to do with Obamacare insurance and instead bought a terrific individual plan directly from BCBS, last fall and got better coverage for less, than they had with their previous policy. They were tickled that they got to keep their doctor, too.
I am not in the insurance business and the topic of healthcare insurance was well beyond the scope of this appointment. No reason for me to educate them. Under different circumstances, I might have told them:
Obamacare is legislation, not insurance. The plan they bought directly from BCBS is ACA compliant and therefore " Obamacare". That they got better coverage and paid less for it, is Obamacare. That they got to keep their MD was never and continues to be uncertain, despite Obama's words to the contrary.
Outcomes vary within and across states and by individual perceptions. Not everyone was harmed. Not everyone benefitted.
No need to invent an anecdote to try to make a point.
This much is the truth, Obamacare is the death knell to Dems in the Senate. It is inevitable.
You don't get it. If Romney introduced "Romneycare" to the nation all republicans would praise it while all liberals would point out its obvious inadequacies as compared to a "single payer program" like in Canada, for instance. It would be a "too late, to little mantra" all over the internet.
American politics with its partisan bickering: got to love it. Yes, you got to: you don't have a choice.
you are sooooo right. This is why it is either "them" or "us" attitude is the reason nothing really gets done in D.C or that a real third party will ever challenge either group. Actually that is the only thing that would make them agree on anything
1. Again, there are is no Data to back up the image, im more inclined to believe the image is a mystake than the number itself.
1b Again, you are comparing house hold income to health cost which doesnt make your point, because i was talking about the dollar cost of health care, not a comparison to someones income.
You arent this dumb, why are you trolling, are you that bored ?
Also, 2008 was the year the recession started, so if there was a bit of downward movement in that stat, (chart says 18% for both year), it's probably because a lot of people lost healthcare when they lost their jobs, so their healthcare percentage of total household income went to 0%.
Well, not themselves of course. No, there seems to be a growing trend to blame Romney. What?
Because Massachusetts has a workable plan that wasn't designed to scale to the size of the U.S and wasn't designed to adapt to the different states it is still Romney's fault. He should have seen that coming.
Even though Romney's plan did not increase taxes and had buy-in from both political parties still means that Romney is to blame when the Democrats could not get Obamacare to work. I think I see how they think now.
They blame conservatives for telling the truth about all problems the ACA has, or is causing. It's Rush's fault, Sean's fault, etc etc. If they were weren't out there telling everyone about the increased 58% costs for people in california, the Senator who lost his cancer doctor and center, and of course the, "You can keep your Doctor, and your Policy", along with, "This will save you $2500 A YEAR".
You don't get it. If Romney introduced "Romneycare" to the nation all republicans would praise it while all liberals would point out its obvious inadequacies as compared to a "single payer program" like in Canada, for instance. It would be a "too late, to little mantra" all over the internet.
American politics with its partisan bickering: got to love it. Yes, you got to: you don't have a choice.
Thats not true at all. When a similar plan which involved a mandated savings account was introduced by Republicans in the late 1990's, it was ridiculed by Republicans...
To now pretend that we would love something we hated just because a Republican proposed it, is utter nonsense, especially given this is 10x worse...
Well, not themselves of course. No, there seems to be a growing trend to blame Romney. What?
Because Massachusetts has a workable plan that wasn't designed to scale to the size of the U.S and wasn't designed to adapt to the different states it is still Romney's fault. He should have seen that coming.
Even though Romney's plan did not increase taxes and had buy-in from both political parties still means that Romney is to blame when the Democrats could not get Obamacare to work. I think I see how they think now.
The dems can blame the media and press for not doing due dilligence on the obamacare legislation before it was passed. We all can blame the press and media now for ignoring the lies about abamcare and the fact it covers fewer of the targeted market than it claimed..... which makes obamacare appear a trojan horse for a socialist agenda rather than having anything to do with health care or hc insurance.
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