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You are simply talking about repealing the ACA and talking about the saving without the ACA. As an example the ACA using your figures of about 10 million will cost about $3500 for each insured individual. The cost of the ACA is $35 billion this year. Three programs that you no doubt support Medicare, Tricare, VA will cost taxpayers $580 billion. These program will insure about 65 million at a cost of about $9,000 each. But under conservative-Republican logic $3500 is more than $9,000 and is a total disaster.
The ACA ain't going to cost 35 billion this year. It's all funky math they uses cause they subtracted "savings". You know. Like saving premiums were 15% "lower than expected"
Let me tell you this. In the cbo report just this week. They already said Medicaid expansion would cost 20 billion alone. It ain't going to cost 35 billion this year.
Have you read the cbo report this past week? As part of the ACA costs. They are excluding "administrative costs". Like the 100 million dollar website that now is running at 700 million. Some 600 million over budget. They are also excluding the 5-10 billion needed to hire IRS agents.
The ACA ain't going to cost 35 billion this year. It's all funky math they uses cause they subtracted "savings". You know. Like saving premiums were 15% "lower than expected"
Let me tell you this. In the cbo report just this week. They already said Medicaid expansion would cost 20 billion alone. It ain't going to cost 35 billion this year.
Have you read the cbo report this past week? As part of the ACA costs. They are excluding "administrative costs". Like the 100 million dollar website that now is running at 700 million. Some 600 million over budget. They are also excluding the 5-10 billion needed to hire IRS agents.
Lets not forget that even if the total was $35B, this is $35b which is removed from the economy. Why they celebrate increased governmental revenues which comes at the expense of the citizens I'll never understand.
You asked, and they gave you the number: 8 million
"Just 28 percent of all sign-ups came from people between the ages of 18 and 34 — well below the 40 percent target that some insurance experts have said is needed to keep premium rates stable in the future."
Translation:if you thought the new Obamacare plans were unaffordable before, you haven't seen **** yet.
"Just 28 percent of all sign-ups came from people between the ages of 18 and 34 — well below the 40 percent target that some insurance experts have said is needed to keep premium rates stable in the future."
Translation:if you thought the new Obamacare plans were unaffordable before, you haven't seen **** yet.
Insurance company bailout on the way?
The bailout was written into one of the many of hundreds of "final decisions".
HHS promised the insurance providers a bailout.
And the latest change made by HHS is that insurers can keep a larger portion for profit and upped the percent of the premiums that they can use on "other than direct care"
Lets not forget that even if the total was $35B, this is $35b which is removed from the economy. Why they celebrate increased governmental revenues which comes at the expense of the citizens I'll never understand.
How about if every $35 billion came out of Medicare Part C? Part of it did the other part was taxes. Whats the Republican plan? They dont have one. They like to babble about what they proposed in 2007. Guess what Tea Partiers this is 2014.
Again. It ain't 9-12 million newly insured. They are counting people like young adults who already could have own insurance instead of their parents plans. They just thrown "hey 3.2 million young adults now added to parents plans". They just assume all 3.2 million would not have gotten their own polices.
How many would have gone to college and stayed on parents plans? We don't know
How many would have gotten their own polices. We don't know
Yet they just throw out a blanket 3.2 million young adults under age 26.
Same can be said for Medicaid enrollment. Many "new" Medicaid enrollment aren't even due to the ACA. These are people who would have been eligible for Medicaid anyways.
Again. People like to inflate numbers when they want you to support the ACA. Remember Obama saying "very few" polices were getting cancel. He tries to deflate the 5 million policies being canceled. He also tries to say "very few people are paying more" when that number is 3-5 million paying more on the individual market.
You are making stuff up with out any proof and ignoring reality. Smh
Here is some reality.
Obamacare helped nearly 10 million get insurance, Gallup finds Obamacare helped nearly 10 million get insurance, Gallup finds
In total, 9.9 million people got insurance since the last quarter of 2013, bringing the number of uninsured Americans down from 43.5 million to 36.3 million, Gallup says.
"We feel pretty comfortable attributing much of this change to the Affordable Care Act," Witters told NBC News.
CBO and JCT estimate that the insurance coverage pro- visions of the ACA will increase the proportion of the nonelderly population with insurance from roughly
80 percent in the absence of the ACA to about 84 percent in 2014 and to about 89 percent in 2016 and beyond (see Table 2). CBO and JCT project that 12 million more nonelderly people will have health insurance in 2014 than would have had it in the absence of the ACA.
Using a survey fielded by the RAND American Life Panel, we estimate a net gain of 9.3 million in the number of American adults with health insurance coverage from September 2013 to mid-March 2014.
But early evidence from our survey indicates that the ACA has already led to a substantial increase in insurance coverage. Consistent with the design of the ACA, this gain in insurance has come not only from new enrollment in the marketplaces, but also from new enrollment in employer coverage and Medicaid.
Conservatives most definitely are interested in policy outcomes. The outcome is exactly why we've been so against Obamacare from the start.
Let me say this clearly:
YOU WILL NOT SEE THE THE INTENDED OUTCOME OF THIS LAW. EVER.
You just won't. The administration will try to massage the numbers and make everything look rosy, but the outcome will not be what was intended.
Let's look at the two the most significant intended outcomes of this law:
The average family will save $2,500 per year.
The approximately 40 million people that weren't covered prior to this law will have insurance.
I will give you $100 if, three years from now (hey, I'm giving you a solid chance here), either of those things bear out.
Neither will.
People (maybe you?) complain about anecdotes being provided as evidence of this or that, but the almighty Obama administration has given us NOTHING with which we can determine the true impact of this law. Don't you think that if things were going as swimmingly as they're trying to claim, they'd have reams of information backing up those claims? Why don't you think we have that supporting evidence? Who's holding it back? For what reason?
The administration clearly isn't going to provide the necessary details to determine whether this law is working as intended, so we're going to have to wait it out. The info will drip through the cracks, but it's going to take time. When the facts do come to light, you're going to discover that you were on the wrong side of this issue, and that you should have been with the majority of the country in OPPOSING this colossal waste of time, money and political capital. You'll be right next to me, arguing that Obama and the Democrats should have been focusing on the economy, which as you'll remember, had just tanked when Obama came into office and started pushing for health insurance reform. He wasted virtually all the political clout he had on Obamacare, when he should have been trying to get people back to work.
No conservatives have zero interest in the policy outcomes. This is why conservatives have ignored every piece of reported news about the law that shows it might be working.
You are making stuff up with out any proof and ignoring reality. Smh
Here is some reality.
Obamacare helped nearly 10 million get insurance, Gallup finds Obamacare helped nearly 10 million get insurance, Gallup finds
In total, 9.9 million people got insurance since the last quarter of 2013, bringing the number of uninsured Americans down from 43.5 million to 36.3 million, Gallup says.
"We feel pretty comfortable attributing much of this change to the Affordable Care Act," Witters told NBC News.
CBO and JCT estimate that the insurance coverage pro- visions of the ACA will increase the proportion of the nonelderly population with insurance from roughly
80 percent in the absence of the ACA to about 84 percent in 2014 and to about 89 percent in 2016 and beyond (see Table 2). CBO and JCT project that 12 million more nonelderly people will have health insurance in 2014 than would have had it in the absence of the ACA.
Using a survey fielded by the RAND American Life Panel, we estimate a net gain of 9.3 million in the number of American adults with health insurance coverage from September 2013 to mid-March 2014.
But early evidence from our survey indicates that the ACA has already led to a substantial increase in insurance coverage. Consistent with the design of the ACA, this gain in insurance has come not only from new enrollment in the marketplaces, but also from new enrollment in employer coverage and Medicaid.
This is all great news... So the cost of coverage should go down and the cost to the taxpayer should decrease as well. All of the costs should be decreased if this is the case. Keep that in mind
What happened to the promises of covering ALL americans?
Did Democrats move the goal post once again in order to pretend its a success?
What goal posts? The law is in it's first 6months of implementation. No one thought that all uninsured Americans will be signed up by now.
Plus conservatives are blocking millions of Americans from getting health insurance by blocking the medicaid expansion that is designed to get lower income Americans insurance.
So how can Democrats move the goal posts when conservatives are preventing millions of Americans from gaining insurance by blocking the medicaid expansion? Smh
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