Obama as America's first black president (employment, Reagan, health care, racism)

[FBJ]

Originally Posted by softblueyz

When you have nothing else, pull out the "it's Bush's fault"? Obama has been in office for six years. You can stop using the Bush card now.

And let's not forget Obama appearing on the Tonight show 4 or 5 times Something Bush never did when he was president

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by dabottom

And let's not forget Obama appearing on the Tonight show 4 or 5 times Something Bush never did when he was president

Wait, are you specifically arguing that GWB didnt go on the tonight show, If so then that is true, but its a fallacy because President Bush still went on many talk shows while he was in office.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by softblueyz

Is that you translating what I posted? You aren't even close and obviously missed the point.

You said President Obama is blaming Bush and Bush has been out of office for 4/5 years.

so you are either sayign Bush isnt responsible, or that blame shoudlnt be talked about, pick one.

[FBJ]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Wait, are you specifically arguing that GWB didnt go on the tonight show, If so then that is true, but its a fallacy because President Bush still went on many talk shows while he was in office.

Name the shows

[FBJ]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

You said President Obama is blaming Bush and Bush has been out of office for 4/5 years.

so you are either sayign Bush isnt responsible, or that blame shoudlnt be talked about, pick one.

If Obama is in his 6th year, why are we still talking about what Bush didn't do? It's not like Obama is eligible for another 4 years so what's the point in even mentioning it??

[Ringo1]

Conservative Andrew Sullivan says he's a much greater President than current polls suggest. Hmmm.

[FBJ]

Originally Posted by georgia dem

then I vote for Col Allen West~~
thing is about Obama being the "first black" president is that he also happens to be the worst black president~~~
I KNOW we can do a hell of a lot better

It's almost like he was always caught up in being the 1st black president instead of actually doing something. Maybe the next black president will do a lot better since he won't be the 1st

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by softblueyz

Do you think Obama constantly announcing "I'm the President", which is basically shutting down people and what they have to say, helped?

Where does it say that the other party has to "follow" the president as if he was the Pied Piper??

Your argument was that the President is not a good leader, my response to that is to say those people didnt want to be led by him.

Now you are responding to me by saying " well why should they follow him, they are of the opposite party ".

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by dabottom

If Obama is in his 6th year, why are we still talking about what Bush didn't do? It's not like Obama is eligible for another 4 years so what's the point in even mentioning it??

its not just what Bush didnt do, it is also what he did do.

And the whole why even mention it is the basis of this debate. This seems to not have much to do about who is actually to blame, its just about the vocalization of it.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by dabottom

Name the shows

One is the Dr.Phil Show.