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Old 03-19-2014, 05:21 PM
 
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Not my party. I'm an independent.

Well it just seems republican don't want to fix the healthcare problem. You don't like ACA.... So where's your party's solutions? Repeal ACA? Cool, whats the alternative?
You're just an independent that stands here and supports everything the Democrats are doing while blaming Republicans..

yeah, I'll give you independent.. please..
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Does it not bother yall Cruz worked to repeal it but.had no alternative if he succeeded? Seems yall are supporting politicians who would cut off their nose to spite their.face.....
no, first rule of thumb is you stop damages from happening. You dont keep stabbing someone because the paramedics havent arrived yet.
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Old 03-19-2014, 05:26 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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You're just an independent that stands here and supports everything the Democrats are doing while blaming Republicans..

yeah, I'll give you independent.. please..
Perhaps that's because you and like minded republicans moved further right.

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no, first rule of thumb is you stop damages from happening. You dont keep stabbing someone because the paramedics havent arrived yet.
I can't seem to corroborate that rule on Google, can you verify that is in fact the rule of thumb.

So can you just admit there was no alternative? Or do you want to continue down this path....
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Old 03-19-2014, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by Boss View Post
The ACA created market places for companies to offer insurance to individuals who cannot get coverage through their employers.
What an excellent text-book example of the inability to apply Critical Thinking Skills.

What laws and regulations did the government enact to disenfranchise Millions of Americans and deny them access to health plan coverage?

Be specific.


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How many did the Republican medical plan insure?
What part of "intra-State Commerce" do you not understand?

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I agree that the Republicans need to do better on healthcare.
What part of "intra-State Commerce" do you not understand?

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So can you just admit there was no alternative? Or do you want to continue down this path....
What part of "intra-State Commerce" do you not understand?

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Well it just seems republican don't want to fix the healthcare problem. You don't like ACA.... So where's your party's solutions? Repeal ACA? Cool, whats the alternative?
What part of "intra-State Commerce" do you not understand?

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So have republicans finally come up with an.alternative or still playing the blame game?
What part of "intra-State Commerce" do you not understand?

False Analogy


The problem is that the items in the analogy are too dissimilar. When reasoning by analogy, the fallacy occurs when the analogy is irrelevant or very weak or when there is a more relevant disanalogy.


Faulty Comparison

If you try to make a point about something by comparison, and if you do so by comparing it with the wrong thing, then your reasoning uses the fallacy of faulty comparison or the fallacy of questionable analogy.

Group Think

A reasoner uses the group think fallacy if he or she substitutes pride of membership in the group for reasons to support the group’s policy.

Is-Ought


The is-ought fallacy occurs when a conclusion expressing what ought to be so is inferred from premises expressing only what is so, in which it is supposed that no implicit or explicit ought-premises are need.

Lying


A fallacy of reasoning that depends on intentionally saying something that is known to be false. If the lying occurs in an argument’s premise, then it is an example of the fallacy of questionable premise.

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Suppressed Evidence

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See if you can present a thesis that is not based on multiple fallacies.

In the mean-time, once you have mastered an understanding of "intra-State Commerce" you can learn the role and function of State government, governors and State legislatures.

The maybe you can be part of the solution, instead of part of the problem...


Mircea
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Old 03-19-2014, 07:25 PM
 
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Perhaps that's because you and like minded republicans moved further right.
yeah, always gotta blame Republicans. Please tell me how me moving to the right, (even if thats true, which its not), is responsible for the left destroyign healthcare in america.. This should be good..
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I can't seem to corroborate that rule on Google, can you verify that is in fact the rule of thumb.
I never stated who's rule of thumb it is, but one has an obligation to mitigate damages. How can you live in todays society and not understand that? Can you corroborate that its best to continue stabbing someone because the paramedics havent arrived yet?
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So can you just admit there was no alternative? Or do you want to continue down this path....
I've admitted no such thing, I'm still trying to figure out that even if what you said is true, and Republicans had no alternatives, why you think it was best to make things even worse, cause millions of people to lose policies, add on hundreds of billions of dollars in new taxes, to have a net increase of new people insured to be ZERO...

Explain that to me.. or arent you aware that the CBO is calculating that 30,000,000 will STILL go without insurance?

yeah, republicans fault.. I get it.. so says the independent dv1033.. cough.. please..
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Old 03-19-2014, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Mircea, you forgot one last definition. Verbose.
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Old 03-19-2014, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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yeah, always gotta blame Republicans. Please tell me how me moving to the right, (even if thats true, which its not), is responsible for the left destroyign healthcare in america.. This should be good..
How is healthcare in America destroyed?
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Old 03-19-2014, 07:31 PM
 
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How many did the Republican medical plan insure?
Even if the number was ZERO..isnt that better than the ZERO we're planning to insure under ACA?

Oh wait, its only going to cost $1T on top of it..

haha.. you people are embarassing..
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Old 03-19-2014, 07:32 PM
 
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How is healthcare in America destroyed?
How many cant keep their doctor?
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Old 03-19-2014, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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How many cant keep their doctor?
How does that destroy healthcare?
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Old 03-19-2014, 07:37 PM
 
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How is healthcare in America destroyed?
If the AHA destroyed the healthcare system that you claimed needed to be fixed by the ACA how does the AHA writing the ACA fix that broken system?

That's what you need to be asking yourself.
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