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I dont care either way.. I just think this sounds absurd, desperate:
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Bipartisan leaders from Northern Plains states joined the oil industry in
calling for approval of the Keystone XL oil pipeline for national security's
sake
Hoeven said in a statement part of the turmoil in Eastern Europe is tied to the region's dependence on Russia for energy supplies. More energy from North American reserves would help prevent a similar crisis at home.
I am having a hard time connecting the dots of how allowing another country to build, an aquifer risking, pipeline from our north border to our southern port for export, would help our national reserves or our national security. In fact, this pipeline will actually increase the price of gas in most US states.
I dont care either way.. I just think this sounds absurd, desperate:
No, it's absurdly desperate.
Budwater Beer has more of an impact on National Security than Keystone ever could.
I'll tell you where this is at now....they sunk a lot of money into it thinking the US would be an easy pushover due to the economic situation (with jobs) and now it's more about not becoming Enron than it is anything else.
Tar sands does not lower gasoline prices....it increases them....
I am having a hard time connecting the dots of how allowing another country to build, an aquifer risking, pipeline from our north border to our southern port for export, would help our national reserves or our national security. In fact, this pipeline will actually increase the price of gas in most US states.
so true. It benefits only the countries where it is exported.
It's a huge risk for the US to take for nothing.
Those people do not understand that tar sands is not oil...it's tar mixed with sand and then has petroleum distillates added to reduce the viscosity to flow through a pipeline.
McDonald's might as well start serving Toluene-Mustard and Turpentine-Honey dips with their McPseudo-chicken McNuggets to get Americans used to it.
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Originally Posted by dreamofmonterey
No "job creation" in US.
Well, spill clean-up and decontamination. That would take years, more than a decade.
Budwater Beer has more of an impact on National Security than Keystone ever could.
I'll tell you where this is at now....they sunk a lot of money into it thinking the US would be an easy pushover due to the economic situation (with jobs) and now it's more about not becoming Enron than it is anything else.
Tar sands does not lower gasoline prices....it increases them....
Mircea
What! This country will fall to pieces without that pipeline.
The notion is so absurd that I'm shocked any advocate can say it with a straight face.
I have a better idea. Build refineries near the tar sands and sell the oil to US customers using the existing distribution system. The only problem with this idea is it might actually drop oil prices in the US along with imports from the Middle East. That cannot be allowed to happen.
I have a better idea. Build refineries near the tar sands and sell the oil to US customers using the existing distribution system. The only problem with this idea is it might actually drop oil prices in the US along with imports from the Middle East. That cannot be allowed to happen.
I like this idea. Does anyone here not like this idea, and if not, why?
Perhaps we should submit it to those in congress who are so concerned about our National Security.
I have a better idea. Build refineries near the tar sands and sell the oil to US customers using the existing distribution system. The only problem with this idea is it might actually drop oil prices in the US along with imports from the Middle East. That cannot be allowed to happen.
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Originally Posted by jojajn
I like this idea. Does anyone here not like this idea, and if not, why?
It's totally useless.
Oils are like grapes. Different grapes are used to make different wines. Different oils are used to make different products.
Tar sands oil is useless to Americans. There are no American who would ever want tar sands oil. Tar sands oil is designated for export only.
No Americans what product refined from tar sands oil. All products from tar sands are designated for export only. Which is the same for Unita Black Wax, Oklahoma Heavy, California Heavy, Alaskan North Slope and all other heavy, very heavy and tar/bitumens (like Black Wax and tar sands), as well as fracked oils.
Why? Sulfur. Those are all low yield gasoline high Sulfur oils.
Why do you think the US is exporting finished gasoline and finished diesel?
Because it's all made from high Sulfur garbage oils which cannot be sold in the US.
I'll say this as gently and easily as possible --- there is no possible way chemically, physically, economically or financially that tar sands oil could ever possibly reduce the price of gasoline in the US....
It's a matter of chemistry, physics, economics and finances....
I have a better idea. Build refineries near the tar sands and sell the oil to US customers using the existing distribution system. The only problem with this idea is it might actually drop oil prices in the US along with imports from the Middle East. That cannot be allowed to happen.
However, there hasn't been a new refinery in Canada since 1984, and many observers say that's unlikely to change any time soon, whether in B.C. or elsewhere.
Oil refining is a volatile, low-margin business, they say, and it's far cheaper and much simpler to export crude to countries that already have refineries ready and willing to process it, particularly the United States and China. Should Canada refine its own oilsands bitumen? - Politics - CBC News
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