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I dont even know if that matters.. Private property is just that. One can allow catholics to pray on their property if they wish while denying the same luxury to other religions. Its not public property where all religions must have an equal voice.
This is not strictly private property - this is a business of public accommodation. As such, it cannot deny the service it provides on account of one's religion.
These people claim they were not ejected for praying, but for being Muslims praying. Showing that non-Muslims have likewise prayed, with security knowing about it, but were not likewise ejected, absolutely matters. Showing multiple instances of that would almost assuredly win them the lawsuit.
I've worked in offices with Muslims, lived in cities with Muslims, and had Muslim friends. They must have prayed in private because I never saw them drop to the floor or pavement at certain times of the day... and the taxis always run.
Within every religion there are people who observe, don't observe or observe when it's practical to do so.
The world is full of Catholics who do not attend mass on Sunday or eat meat on Friday's, during Lent and Jews who don't observe the Sabbath or hit the temple.
I have worked in offices that allowed their employees of Jewish faith to depart early on Fridays, in winter, so that they could be home before sundown. I have also worked projects that required all hands on deck till the wee hours and some of Muslim faith excused themselves and went to a conference room and prayed.
You are moving the goal post into some phantom argument that because they werent harming anyone, they should be allowed to do what they wish..
That wasnt my argument. I was responding to someone who was equating it to a Cell phone talking in a movie theater.
The person talking on a cell phone in a movie theater is indeed harming other people by not allowing them to hear and enjoy the film.
There for, the person i was responding to was saying that a person praying was harming others.
At best, You should have said someone else moved the goal post and i shouldnt have responded, at worst you honestly didnt understand the flaw in this entire debate.
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So if its not their property, then why do you believe they should be allowed to do what they want provided they arent harming anyone else? One doesnt need a rule to eject individuals from private property, what gives you the impression there is?
This thread has never been about the property owner's right to remove people. No one has argued against the owners rights. it seems to be you trying to move the goal post.
This thread is about the family not realizing that the building prohibited prayer, and subsequently being kicked out because of it.
if the building had no posted signs, not set of rules, then legally ambiguity falls in favor of the guest of the property, not the property owners.
This is not strictly private property - this is a business of public accommodation. As such, it cannot deny the service it provides on account of one's religion.
These people claim they were not ejected for praying, but for being Muslims praying. Showing that non-Muslims have likewise prayed, with security knowing about it, but were not likewise ejected, absolutely matters. Showing multiple instances of that would almost assuredly win them the lawsuit.
This is funny right here. Wasn't there a story not too long ago about a guy reciting scripture on a sidewalk in front of a store and the store called the cops to have him removed? Yes there was and just about EVERY Lefty on this forum agreed that since it was a public place the cops were right for removing him. This story just illustrates the relationship between the LeftNuts and Islam. They are aligned and they prove it every time a thread like this is posted. They defend ANYTHING Muslims do regarding their religion, but don't afford those same rights to Christians.
This is not strictly private property - this is a business of public accommodation. As such, it cannot deny the service it provides on account of one's religion.
And they had every right as everyone else does, to use the observation deck as designed. They were not denied service based upon their religion, they were denied service based upon the use of the property they were occupying..
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These people claim they were not ejected for praying, but for being Muslims praying. Showing that non-Muslims have likewise prayed, with security knowing about it, but were not likewise ejected, absolutely matters. Showing multiple instances of that would almost assuredly win them the lawsuit.
No, first they would have to argue that its not private property, (which they might be able to do, as you noted above), and then they would have to show that they were using the facility as designed, which they werent, and then they would have to show that other muslims were evicted, which we havent heard of this being true, and then they would have to show other religious individuals not being evicted, and more.
Hell, I'm willing to bet there is probably some stupid statue somewhere which defines religious space.
This is funny right here. Wasn't there a story not too long ago about a guy reciting scripture on a sidewalk in front of a store and the store called the cops to have him removed? Yes there was and just about EVERY Lefty on this forum agreed that since it was a public place the cops were right for removing him. This story just illustrates the relationship between the LeftNuts and Islam. They are aligned and they prove it every time a thread like this is posted. They defend ANYTHING Muslims do regarding their religion, but don't afford those same rights to Christians.
I believe both should be left alone.
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