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Old 03-23-2014, 07:39 PM
 
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Really?

Caring about NYC laws is nonsense since you don't live there.

Get a life, instead of starting moronic threads.
So that is your stance.............if this thread is moronic only a moron would reply too. How bout that hero.
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Old 03-24-2014, 09:22 AM
 
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If you practiced what you preach you wouldn't be on this thread to begin with or any others. Go find your local whatever board and post there............practice what you preach.

Yes why should I care.........just let government do what they please so say liberals.
Why are you worrying about what a New York mayor signs into law for New Yorkers? THEY elected him!!!!
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Old 03-24-2014, 09:42 AM
 
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My employer gives 20 days of personal time off (PTO) which is any work day you are not at work or at home doing work, regardless of reason. If I am sick, I take PTO. If I am on vacation, I am on PTO. If I simply feel like goofing off, taking a 3 hour lunch, or whatever, I take PTO. Like 7 years ago, they switched from 20 days of vacation and "reasonable" sick time to the current PTO system because a number of people were abusing the "reasonable" sick time, and all HR rules in the current business world favor the employ doing less and less and the employer having little recourse. So company wide change goes into effect, and now PTO gets used for sick days. Remarkably, people have been in much better health since that change occurred. Coincidence?

In fact, every company I ever worked for where salaried exempt had to use PTO for sick days tended to have healthier employees by a noticeable margin over companies where sick time was not counted as PTO and you got paid either way. Coincidence?

Soon enough, every company in NYC will do this exact same thing. You get some amount of PTO, and sick days count against the balance unless you are on STD or LTD. It's the simplest way around De Blasio's nonsense and avoids abuse of the system. His overtime thing will have a similar solution. Companies will officially tell the people they expect to work 50 hours per week that they can only work 40 and no more. Those people will still have deadlines, and those deadlines will be "based on 40 hour weeks" officially. Okie doke. So let's say a deadline is looming and you know you'll need to hammer out a 60-70 hour week or two to make that deadline a reality. You really going to the boss to ask for overtime, knowing that the first question you'll be asked is why your work is behind schedule given the very reasonable deadline they gave you that is based on 40 hour weeks? Nope, you're going to work overtime and you're not going to say a freaking thing because you want to keep your job. But officially, your company said no hours past 40 thank you very much, go read the employee handbook if you don't believe them.

The tighter you clench your fist de Blasio, the less sand you can hold.
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Old 03-24-2014, 10:23 AM
 
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It is amazing seeing people try to spin this is a bad thing.

Damn the rights of the common man.. it is all about the 1% in America.

This is another win for the good guys. Keep up the good work, DeBlasio!
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Old 03-24-2014, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It is amazing seeing people try to spin this is a bad thing.

Damn the rights of the common man.. it is all about the 1% in America.

This is another win for the good guys. Keep up the good work, DeBlasio!
Your 1% people are not affected in the least by this change.
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Old 03-24-2014, 02:16 PM
 
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It is amazing seeing people try to spin this is a bad thing.

Damn the rights of the common man.. it is all about the 1% in America.

This is another win for the good guys. Keep up the good work, DeBlasio!
What right?
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Old 03-24-2014, 02:18 PM
 
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Why are you worrying about what a New York mayor signs into law for New Yorkers? THEY elected him!!!!
You keep your head in the sand............I choose not to.
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Old 03-24-2014, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Businesses should cooperate to hire private investigators so they can get rid of people who lie about being sick.
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Old 03-25-2014, 04:02 AM
 
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Paid sick leave is NOT a few extra days of paid vacation here: there's a strict protocol (by law) to be followed and any sick leave has to be certified by a GP declaring that he has "questioned and examined" his patient and has found him unable to work.

The employee has to inform his employer "as soon as possible" that he won't appear at work due to sickness (our labor courts are in agreement that this means "before the end of the first day of absense") by any means possible: phone call, email, text message, a friend or family member delivering the message, whatever...

The employer can't investigate the truthfulness of the employee's claim himself, it's forbidden by law. But he can send a second GP of his choice and at his expense to his employee's house, to confirm that his employee is able/unable to work. Medical confidentiality applies. The GP hired by the employer is not allowed to give any information regarding the ilness of the employee. The only question to be answered: "is the employee able/unable to work?".

If the GP, send by the employer, considers the employee fit to work and the employee disagrees, he can call in a third GP, from the list of approved GP's provided by the Belgian Department of Labor, acting as some kind of a referee.

That third GP will question and examine the patient, he will consult the two other GP's and take the final decision: able/unable to work.
If the verdict is: "able to work", the bill will be paid for by the employee.
If the verdict is: "unable to work", the bill will be paid for by the employer.

It's a protocol, it's the law, but this allmost never happens in real life. Contrary to what some people might think: most workers here are not all that keen on a few extra days at home.

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