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Old 03-21-2014, 09:33 PM
 
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Another bad day for bigots.

It's funny to watch them insist that the court system shouldn't be ruling on constitutional matters. How un-American. Even funnier to see them cling to the delusion that somehow the entire country is going to suddenly reverse the course of civil rights, like we're Russia or something. Maybe these people would be happier in Russia - a kleptocracy ruled by a de-facto dictator who doesn't respect individual rights and freedoms and actively opposes treating all people equally.
The bolded part also describes the Bush-43 administration, which did nothing for equality, just pandered to anti-gay hate mongers.
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Good deal from Michigan. Marriage Equality is on the way.

Funny how this is "unconstitutional legislating" in the minds of those who don't agree with his statement. Sorry, Harrier, you don't speak for the people.
And he's avoiding the question I asked him. I want a satisfactory answer as to why he thinks the judge's ruling is unconstitutional.
 
Old 03-21-2014, 09:35 PM
 
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Well, one from each person I guess.
I just looked it up. The "price to pay" for a marriage license in Michigan is $20.

So does that mean a soul is only worth $10 in Michigan?
 
Old 03-21-2014, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Religion and churches have nothing to do with the Michigan law.

Join us in the 21st Century where we have a secular government in this republic, will you?
Perhaps someone should have mentioned that to the AG defending the ban......

The Michigan AG put on the stand authors to studies funded by religious groups as well as a witness that stated on the stand "unrepentant gays are going to hell"
 
Old 03-21-2014, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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So does that mean a soul is only worth $10 in Michigan?
Sounds high to me
 
Old 03-21-2014, 09:43 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Votre_Chef View Post
lol

Indeed, because an independent judiciary, a part of our system of separation of powers, granting more rights to a portion of the citizenry, constitutes a "tyranny." What's most funny is that just a few posts ago, you smugly told someone else not to use words they don't understand.
Some posters could add an irony meter fixed at 'high' in their signatures. Right next to a hypocrisy meter and an ignorance meter.

Someone also needs to look up "gluteus maximus" to see what it actually is.

Last edited by Ceist; 03-21-2014 at 10:02 PM..
 
Old 03-21-2014, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Your entire reasoning is based solely on the fact that you don't like the outcome.
No, Harrier's reasoning is based on the fact that the ruling is unconstitutional.

It violated both Article III and the Tenth Amendment.
 
Old 03-21-2014, 09:51 PM
 
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Sounds high to me
For a soul or a marriage license?
 
Old 03-21-2014, 09:59 PM
 
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No, Harrier's reasoning is based on the fact that the ruling is unconstitutional.

It violated both Article III and the Tenth Amendment.
It is not.

As Madison himself said when contemplating the role of the federal judiciary, found in his own notes on the Constitutional Convention (unlike Jefferson, Madison was actually in the room while the document was written):

"A law violating a constitution established by the people themselves, would be considered by the Judges as null & void."


Hamilton (also in the room when it was written) in Federalist 78:

"The courts were designed to be an intermediate body between the people and the legislature, in order, among other things, to keep the latter within the limits assigned to their authority. The interpretation of the laws is the proper and peculiar province of the courts."

The tenth amendment doesn't enter into it, the judge ruled the Michigan law in violation of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. The tenth amendment was never designed to give states the right to nullify constitutional amendments.
 
Old 03-21-2014, 10:24 PM
 
Location: The 12th State
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Good news Equality for marriage is spreading across the nation. Congrats to the Michiganian couples who plan to tie the knot
Newlyweds to be can get their marriage license at 9:00 am in Washtenaw County, Michigan and some other counties.

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