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Yes they are. Remove yourself from the influence of government and your rights disappear.
I dont need governments permission to plant corn in my back yard, and yet there is no influence from the government for me to do so.. The need to eat dictates that food be produced..
Dodging and deflection is what progressives do best.
Geez, you really don't know when to quit. The "I know you are but what am I?" defense won't cut it, n.
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Yes they are. Remove yourself from the influence of government and your rights disappear.
I dont need governments permission to plant corn in my back yard, and yet there is no influence from the government for me to do so.. The need to eat dictates that food be produced..
Deliberately distorting Seabass Inna Bun's general statement into an absolute doesn't actually refute the intent of what he wrote. Yes, it's true - it isn't all your rights that disappear - and those that do disappear aren't violated immediately and continually without relief. But, it is still true that if you remove yourself from the influence of government, your rights disappear.
Deliberately distorting Seabass Inna Bun's general statement into an absolute doesn't actually refute the intent of what he wrote. Yes, it's true - it isn't all your rights that disappear - and those that do disappear aren't violated immediately and continually without relief. But, it is still true that if you remove yourself from the influence of government, your rights disappear.
The government by nature TAKES away your rights, it doesnt impose them. Even the US Constitution is based upon a list of what the government CAN NOT DO..
Can NOT infringe the right to bear arms
Can NOT infringe freedom fo speach.
Where the hell did you guys go to school where you learned that government grants right?
No. Without a means of addressing grievances or ensuring they're observed, talking of rights means absolutely nothing. And natural rights do not exist. They're as much a creation of society as traffic laws. I already explained how you're wrong once, it's strange that you continue to say things you know are false.
No, it's called a living document because it provides its own process for changing it.
Right. It's still nonsense. It's right-wingers jumping up and down saying "I want my way", nothing more.
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You and I are the sole survivors of a world wide disaster, nuclear war or whatever.
In this scenario of a complete absence of government and society, do you possess any right to exist or do I have the right to take your food and kill you?
If you think you have a right to exist and to keep what is yours,then you agree with the concept of natural rights.
Geez, you really don't know when to quit. The "I know you are but what am I?" defense won't cut it, n.
Deliberately distorting Seabass Inna Bun's general statement into an absolute doesn't actually refute the intent of what he wrote. Yes, it's true - it isn't all your rights that disappear - and those that do disappear aren't violated immediately and continually without relief. But, it is still true that if you remove yourself from the influence of government, your rights disappear.
I first asked you where in the Constitution does it state where the government dictates my responsibility, and you deflected and insulted. I then kindly pointed out that a company is not a charity, and is under no obligation to provide someone a job, and exists solely to make a profit. And again, you chose to insult, and spin words. So I'll make it really simple for you. If you don't like the responses, there is that feature called "ignore" or you could simply not respond.
Yes, but they dont disappear simply without government. They might be abused, but that doesnt mean they dont exist
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Evidently someplace where they taught morals and logical thinking, as opposed to where so many right-wingers went to school.
I must have missed that class where it was moral to take from others. Should I tell the judge that when my son goes to court next week for shoplifting?
If you don't like the responses, there is that feature called "ignore" or you could simply not respond.
Back at ya.
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Yes, but they dont disappear simply without government.
They do. Not all of them. Not all at once. And they are not continually violated. But without government protecting people's rights, other people, cruel and callous people, will have a field day violating the rights of the most vulnerable in our society. Even if you cannot bring yourself to admit it.
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They might be abused, but that doesnt mean they dont exist
I'm going to ignore your attempt to claim that the last six messages were a bit of semantic triviality.
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I must have missed that class where it was moral to take from others.
No one has said anything about taking from others. We've been talking about civic responsibility we all have to society. Even if you cannot bring yourself to admit that either. Trying to draw a comparison between your shoplifting son and society doing what it is supposed to do to best satisfy its obligations to its members is the ultimate in self-deception.
I dont need governments permission to plant corn in my back yard, and yet there is no influence from the government for me to do so.. The need to eat dictates that food be produced..
It's not your back yard, it's mine. My corn, too. Without your government to address grievances ("hey kid, get off my lawn!"), what are you gonna do about it?
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