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Old 03-24-2014, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Originally Posted by plwhit View Post
~Yawn~ another OP that tries to justify income redistribution...
The current "free market" with its deregulation and pathetically tiny amount of regulatory oversight is nothing more than an income redistribution program.

The only difference is that instead of "trickling down", it gushes up.
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Old 03-24-2014, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Yes, that's very true. We do need to increase opportunities for young people from low-income families to attend college.
That is not what needs to be done.

Understand the problem [as it relates to Education].

You let the Left-Wing destroy your education system.

When it came time to move from the 4th Level Economy to the 5th Level Economy, you couldn't do it, because your high schools and universities crank out stupid useless people with no skills, and even that wouldn't be so bad, except that it's costing a fortune, and you don't have the money to pay for it.

You should fully be 20 years into your 5th Level Economy, which is Research & Development. About 18%-20% of your GDP should be from R&D, not Manufacturing.

Every job in Manufacturing you lost should have been replaced by R&D jobs, that paid the same....if not more money.

You should have been cranking out people with degrees in general chemistry, organic chemistry, inorganic chemistry, petro-chemistry, general physics, applied physics, quantum physics, botany, biology, micro-biology, virology, and all manner of engineers.

Instead you got a bunch of useless MBA turds who are so incompetent, they can't even handle being a shift-leader at Dominoes Pizza.

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Cop-out, K-12 education can BARELY get you get you McJobs these days.
And whose fault is that?

The Left-Wing.

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Guess what, college degrees aren't cheap.
And whose fault is that?

The Left-Wing, too.

Interest Inflation: when you flood a sector of the economy, like higher education, with cash and credit via government-backed Student Loans, then artificially suppress interest rates on Student Loans, you artificially inflate the cost of education.

That is the Laws of Economics in action.

If you don't like expensive degrees, then get the pseudo-federal government out of the money-lending business.

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That is a load of garbage. A basic income would only give you the basics.
That is a false statement.

In order for the statement to have any possibility of being true, you must first define "basic income" objectively in no uncertain terms, and then you must define "the basics" objectively in no uncertain terms.

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You are underestimating the need Americans have to spend.
That is a psychological flaw which can be addressed with pills and lots of therapy.

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Again deflection. I never personally had that said to me. I just can't land one job let alone two as easily as it seems you have. And it is not by lack of trying...
Really?

Did you move to another location?

Because, if you didn't, you know, move, then you are not trying.

One of the guiding fundamentals of Life is: "Have I done all that I can do?"

Not everyone can answer that question correctly for different reasons, sometimes low intelligence, and sometimes bias.

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I think it's time to do some Liberals in, Bolshevik style.
That's coming.

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It costs more to raise kids....
That's wrong.

It does not cost more, but you do spend more, which is not the same thing.

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... but it still costs a lot to live on one's own especially these days with record high rent, food and gasoline (as a percentage of wages.)
So?

You are not entitled to live on your own.

There is no "right" to personal private living space.


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We arent writing a college thesis here. You took all that time to write something that doesn't actually dispute my point and hardly anyone will bother reading it.
Your point was totally trashed.

Just because the US government says a State is "communist" and you drink the Kool-Aid® does not make it so...

...but the Kool-Aid® does give you a funky looking mustache.

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I'm merely saying that (a) there are also costs associated with living with roommates, and (b) sometimes it can cost you a lot of money and/or inconvenience. Just try finding a place to live after you were evicted for not covering the rent on which your roomie skipped.

And those sound like personal problems to me.....


Mircea
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Old 03-24-2014, 02:18 PM
 
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LOL at that.

How long has SNAP been electronic and we still have to feed these kids in school.
Seems to me the press is the only ones "tracking" them because when confronted the government officials can't supply reasons.
EBT cards being used at strip joints ?
EBT cards from Texas, NY, Ill, CA being used in Hawaii ?

The press uncover these occurrences, not the government and when asked about them the government says.."We'll investigate the matter."
Yeah more government regulations wont help in converting food stamps to cash. Generally these people have friends with incomes, they just go shopping together, hand the groceries over, and get cash.
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Old 03-24-2014, 02:21 PM
 
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LOL at that.

How long has SNAP been electronic and we still have to feed these kids in school.
Seems to me the press is the only ones "tracking" them because when confronted the government officials can't supply reasons.
EBT cards being used at strip joints ?
EBT cards from Texas, NY, Ill, CA being used in Hawaii ?

The press uncover these occurrences, not the government and when asked about them the government says.."We'll investigate the matter."
I absolutely understand it's not perfect but the idea isn't to make it even less perfect. We do get a percentage.

Hundreds nabbed for food stamp fraud in Butler County | www.daytondailynews.com
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Old 03-24-2014, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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I think it's time to do some Liberals in, Bolshevik style.
When all else fails, resort to veiled threats of violence.

How unfortunately typical and lowbrow but very right-wing.

Much like their foreign policy.
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Old 03-24-2014, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Ask the government. We pay out the ass end for the war on poverty for 50 years and it's been a FAILURE just like everything else government screws up.

pfft and government actually think government can do the job.
Bull****.

There was never a 50 year war on poverty because every time we get a Republican in the White House, money that should be spent for education, fighting poverty, or other worthy causes gets diverted to more "meaningful" causes like cutting taxes for the rich while launching an unnecessary war of aggression and increasing spending on weapons for future wars.
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Old 03-24-2014, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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This gets touched on but nobody really wants to go there. It's the same old story in the end that we see here.

A degree should be earned by going to classes that apply to the degree in question. Someone getting a degree in accounting shouldn't be forced to take art and basket weaving to get their degree. This would make for a more affordable education for everyone.

In a past discussion those who want a free education argued for the entire experience. If you want the entire experience, work for it.
The "entire experience" helps to make one a more rounded individual, which benefits both society and the individual.
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Old 03-24-2014, 03:10 PM
 
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Bull****.

There was never a 50 year war on poverty because every time we get a Republican in the White House, money that should be spent for education, fighting poverty, or other worthy causes gets diverted to more "meaningful" causes like cutting taxes for the rich while launching an unnecessary war of aggression and increasing spending on weapons for future wars.
Bush increased money for education.....one thing for certain, wild rants based upon extreme partisan politics won't fix anything.
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Old 03-24-2014, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Its time to start the discussion about it, its not time to implement it beyond a very minimal amount. Tie it to some combination of unemployment and gdp that makes sense. Right now that would be something like $250/month per person. Delete foodstamps. When it hits 750 month delete unemployment and social security. etc. basically its time for the discussion and planning.

Its NOT time to give everyone a living wage amount of cash yet.
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SS is not a "free money" program there buddy.
People paid into SS from their paychecks each and every week.

Get rid of the means tested "free" handouts.
For the record, people pay into unemployment insurance too, so, it is also not a "free money" program.
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Old 03-24-2014, 03:11 PM
 
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When all else fails, resort to veiled threats of violence.

How unfortunately typical and lowbrow but very right-wing.

Much like their foreign policy.
I'm not a partisan...

That being said, the premise is rooted in fact and what has "gotten things done" for the marginalized masses pretty much forever.
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