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"Social justice" (n): What you wind up with when you give up on real justice.
"Real Justice" (n): Equal application of the laws to everyone.
The above outlines the differences between "social justice" and real justice.
"Social justice" is a fake name for "a government distorting and warping actual justice to unjustly favor whichever group or individual you want to favor today".
So-called "reverse discrimination" is one example. "Soaking the rich" and "spreading the wealth around" is another. "Social promotion" in high school is another.
In all cases, when a government enacts "social justice", what it is really doing is screwing or robbing or damaging one party to build up another.
And it never has a good outcome overall.
BTW, "social justice" has nothing to do directly with socialism, just as a hammer and saw have nothing to do directly with a house. But just as a hammer and saw are frequently used to build a house (and are also used to build other things having little to do with houses), "social justice" is frequently used to implement socialism, while it is also used to do things unrelated to socialism.
Only to the extent that "social justice" and socialism are both unfair abuses of actual justice, do the two have anything in common.
That is irrelevant. People need to get off their tails, go into these schools and fix them. You teach a man to fish. You don't let him starve.
That does not matter. Privatizing all education is unacceptable. It exacerbates the gap between the rich and the poor. Fix the problem. Stop making excuses to crush the lower classes.
Ah so it's not about educating children at all.
Passing scores are "irrelevant".
The "process" is more important than the outcome.
They ALL have to go to public school.
That is DeBlasio's stand as well.
Hate to tell you but those 194 kids from Harlem's charter school are not RICH.
It's not privatizing..it's giving parents CHOICE in schooling for their children.
Wasting children's potential is irrelevant? That's a despicable attitude to have.
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People need to get off their tails, go into these schools and fix them. You teach a man to fish. You don't let him starve.
People have tried. The liberals/Democrats/teachers unions that run public schools won't listen. Consequently, they're a lost cause. Other schools: public charter and private, do a much better job educating students. Why aren't the horrendous public schools following the successful schools' models instead of sticking with methods and curricula that aren't effective?
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Stop making excuses to crush the lower classes.
Keeping them trapped in horrendously underperforming schools is what's crushing them. Stop compromising kids' futures. Let them learn in the charter and public schools that are working.
Wasting children's potential is irrelevant? That's a despicable attitude to have.
People have tried. The liberals/Democrats/teachers unions that run public schools won't listen. Consequently, they're a lost cause. Other schools: public charter and private, do a much better job educating students. Why aren't the horrendous public schools following the successful schools' models instead of sticking with methods and curricula that aren't effective?
Keeping them trapped in horrendously underperforming schools is what's crushing them. Stop compromising kids' futures. Let them learn in the charter and public schools that are working.
The only thing trapping anyone is siphoning off money from the schools that need it the most. If you truly want there to be educational change, come up with ideas to fix it. Abandoning public schools is unacceptable.
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Ah so it's not about educating children at all.
Passing scores are "irrelevant".
The "process" is more important than the outcome.
They ALL have to go to public school.
That is DeBlasio's stand as well.
Hate to tell you but those 194 kids from Harlem's charter school are not RICH.
It's not privatizing..it's giving parents CHOICE in schooling for their children.
Of course the process is most important. Bring those processes to the public schools. Why are you against that?
The only thing trapping anyone is siphoning off money from the schools that need it the most.
Many of the horrible inner-city schools are already spending significantly above the national average per student. They don't need more money. They need different and effective educational models and curricula.
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Of course the process is most important. Bring those processes to the public schools. Why are you against that?
What makes you think people haven't tried? How do you think public charter schools began? They began because public school districts wouldn't implement educational models and curricula that are actually effective, so the district splintered and a very few were successful in implementing public charter schools that don't have to follow their districts' disastrous educational policies.
I have no reason to believe that you're even slightly confused about my comment, especially since the OP put specific words in quotation marks in the thread title. Given that, it would be pretty stupid to placate your feigned interest and pander to your echo-chamber. Let someone whose partisan political perspectives aren't so ridiculously obvious from their previous postings ask clarifying questions, if they are confused, instead of engaging in childish games to try to waste my time and attention.
Fine, then I will ask. What words does the OP not understand?
Yep, get rid of livable wages for teachers. True conservatism at its finest. What a great solution to our education problem!!!
democrats... losers even at their finest.
As long as you are robbing people like me, as long as the politicians are going on exotic vacations on the tax payers dime, as long as Obama keeps attacking the doers is as long as I don't care.
Do you really think you can tax the crap out of people and they were going like Obama? All you are doing is making people not care what the hell you want.
Yep, get rid of livable wages for teachers. True conservatism at its finest. What a great solution to our education problem!!!
Getting rid of the union is not getting rid of "livable wages".
Teachers ARE government workers. Are you saying your beloved government doesn't pay "livable wages" ?
The only thing trapping anyone is siphoning off money from the schools that need it the most. If you truly want there to be educational change, come up with ideas to fix it. Abandoning public schools is unacceptable.
Of course the process is most important. Bring those processes to the public schools. Why are you against that?
I'm not against it whatsoever but there are students in classes that should not be there.
They cannot be expelled or put in alternative education.
The kids in public school today that want to learn have no choice but to put up with them.
Consistently falling PISA scores show that US education isn't working.
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