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The only thing trapping anyone is siphoning off money from the schools that need it the most. If you truly want there to be educational change, come up with ideas to fix it. Abandoning public schools is unacceptable.
Of course the process is most important. Bring those processes to the public schools. Why are you against that?
How is it unacceptable to leave a failed idea behind?
why shouldn't school vouchers be issued? why not give parents a choice?
The right is distinguished by its self-centeredness, so they actually do want some democracy, but with a slight change, i.e., that only people they agree with should have a vote. And I have to disagree with you about their economic preferences: They do want a capitalist system rather than the hybrid economy of the United States. That's why I often refer to Republicans and libertarians as "un-American".
I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. While there might be a few "socialist" elements in our government to prevent children from starving and things like that, the fundamental basis for the American economic system is merit-based capitalism.
I never said anything about socialism - the words I used were "hybrid economy". So either you're not reading the comments you're replying to, or you're not respecting someone else's right to have their own perspective rather than the one you want to shove into their mouths. If you don't respect me, don't expect me to respect you. I'l assume you made an error.
Beyond that, the American economic system is precisely what I said it was, not your characterization thereof. You're just making up phrases for your own convenience, and to fit your own corrupt narrative trying to cast the economy as either capitalism or socialism. You're not alone in that error: Many people have been taught to see things only in black-and-white and cannot internalize how anything could possibly be in between.
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Social justice is an important component of a merit-based capitalist democracy.
Social justice is an important component of a democratic republic with a hybrid economy.
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If you do not have equal opportunity, social justice is unattainable.
Social justice is more than just equal opportunity. It is also not equal outcomes. Again, there are a lot of people too blinded by their own nonsense to move past the black-and-white thinking that insulates them from having to accept that not everything is the way they personally want it to be, to the point where they can accept that there is space between the extremes of what they want and what they hate. In this case, social justice means a floor, a basic level of outcome that society has an obligation to ensure everyone has access to. Ronald Reagan signed EMTALA into law in 1986, codifying our society's expectation that that basic level of outcome to which all are assured access to includes emergency stabilization treatment in emergency departments of hospitals. That's just one example among many where we can see that, a generation ago, at least, right-leaning folks were moral enough to acknowledge the hybrid nature of our society's economy. It's a shame that a generation of RINO hunting has purged from the right practically all its moral fortitude in that regard.
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Well, I'm not surprised at your answers, since you are apparently incapable of understanding simple concepts, and seem to be deficient in reading comprehension.
The reality is that I am eminently capable and that simply upsets you so much that, being unable to brow-beat reasonable repudiation of what you like, you spew inane nonsense like this to try to make yourself feel better about the inadequacy of what you support and how you support it.
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Nowhere have I ever promoted corruption, or placing profits over "human decency,"
I disagree, for the very well-explained reasons I've already provided. I don't expect you to accept the condemnation, but to claim it wasn't posted, or to claim that you're a trustworthy arbiter of whether your appraisal or my appraisal of your perspective is accurate is preposterous. I am sure that not even you would attempt such patently juvenile presumption.
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but that seems to be your perspective on anyone who promotes capitalism. If, as you claim, "no one here is promoting socialism," what is it you are promoting?
That's for underscoring the point I just made to Sharks With Lasers, the inability of right-wingers to accept that the world isn't black-and-white.
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Good bye.
Promises, promises.
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Some people in this country have obsessive rage against welfare because they are either greedy or envious.
My bad, you are right, Kiselyov - handpicked by Russian President Vladimir Putin last year to head a new state news agency — made the inflammatory remarks standing in front of a photo of a mushroom cloud.
And and how the liberals mocked Romney when he warned that Russia was a geopolitical foe. How many times can Obama be wrong before libs see it lol.
Chris Matthews
"I don’t know what decade this guy’s living in,” Chris Matthews said in a March 28, 2012 episode of his MSNBC show, "Hardball." "It sounds like, if not ’72, ’52 even. It’s not Stalin over there, it’s not Khrushchev, it’s not Brezhnev. It’s Medvedev."
Chris Matthews, like so many others in his party, is living in a fantasy world. They think that because this is the 21st Century, there are no longer evil people in the world. Matthews comment "It's not Stalin, it's not Khruschev ... " shows that he thinks Russia is now a "nice player" in the world, which shows that he is completely naive. This is as silly as Obama's response to Putins invasion of Crimea, where he admonishes Putin for his actions by informing him that in the 21st Century he cannot do that.
Well, he did it. Now what?
Romney was right. Matthews and his guests are wrong, and not living in the real world. But this is typical of the Left. They have covered their eyes, not wishing to see the real world, and refusing to acknowledge that humans have not "evolved" (as progressives like to think) and that there is still evil in the world, and always will be.
What kind of aggression against the USA was Russia engaged in at that time? The answer: none.
Right. Keep your head in the sand. Let's just ignore what Putin does. I'm sure he means no harm. He probably won't represent a threat to anyone else whom we defend with our tax dollars and American blood. At least not as long as we maintain a strong military presence in Europe. Oh, wait ... Obama has weakened our defenses there too.
I think Putin is emboldened by Obama's weakness. He will take full advantage of the next three years.
Right. Keep your head in the sand. Let's just ignore what Putin does. I'm sure he means no harm. He probably won't represent a threat to anyone else whom we defend with our tax dollars and American blood. At least not as long as we maintain a strong military presence in Europe. Oh, wait ... Obama has weakened our defenses there too.
Right. Keep your head in the sand. Let's just ignore what Putin does. I'm sure he means no harm. He probably won't represent a threat to anyone else whom we defend with our tax dollars and American blood. At least not as long as we maintain a strong military presence in Europe. Oh, wait ... Obama has weakened our defenses there too.
I think Putin is emboldened by Obama's weakness. He will take full advantage of the next three years.
Defend ?
We invaded Iraq and put oil trading back on the USD.
We invaded Libya and put oil trading back on the USD.
We "defended" no one except our precious petrodollar.
Fixing the problem would mean getting rid of the teachers union who protect the bad teachers.
Didn't think that is where you wanted to start with education reform.
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Wasting children's potential is irrelevant? That's a despicable attitude to have.
People have tried. The liberals/Democrats/teachers unions that run public schools won't listen. Consequently, they're a lost cause. Other schools: public charter and private, do a much better job educating students. Why aren't the horrendous public schools following the successful schools' models instead of sticking with methods and curricula that aren't effective?
Keeping them trapped in horrendously underperforming schools is what's crushing them. Stop compromising kids' futures. Let them learn in the charter and public schools that are working.
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Many of the horrible inner-city schools are already spending significantly above the national average per student. They don't need more money. They need different and effective educational models and curricula.
What makes you think people haven't tried? How do you think public charter schools began? They began because public school districts wouldn't implement educational models and curricula that are actually effective, so the district splintered and a very few were successful in implementing public charter schools that don't have to follow their districts' disastrous educational policies.
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I'm not against it whatsoever but there are students in classes that should not be there.
They cannot be expelled or put in alternative education.
The kids in public school today that want to learn have no choice but to put up with them.
Consistently falling PISA scores show that US education isn't working.
Union this union that union this union that.
All I hear is whining. Teachers unions are not the problem. Teachers are not the problem. The problem is at home, not at the school. We have too many low-income folks that have no education of their own, so they don't know how to help their children. We also have a lot of folks that see school as free babysitting for their children.
The hatred for unions has blinded the right to the actual problem. Unions have nothing to do with the education problem. It is a culture in our society that has to be changed. Charter schools / private schools succeed because students / parents who already value education seek them out. Low income students are not "stupid" or "troubled" so stop condemning them as such.
All I hear is whining. Teachers unions are not the problem. Teachers are not the problem. The problem is at home, not at the school. We have too many low-income folks that have no education of their own, so they don't know how to help their children. We also have a lot of folks that see school as free babysitting for their children.
The hatred for unions has blinded the right to the actual problem. Unions have nothing to do with the education problem. It is a culture in our society that has to be changed. Charter schools / private schools succeed because students / parents who already value education seek them out. Low income students are not "stupid" or "troubled" so stop condemning them as such.
You should watch the documentary "waiting for superman" that shows why the school system is failing children.
Yes parents need to take a bigger role in I child's education, and yes, the teachers union protects bad teachers at the detriment to children. It is easy to change one of these two things, and once changed will help change the other over time.
You should watch the documentary "waiting for superman" that shows why the school system is failing children.
Yes parents need to take a bigger role in I child's education, and yes, the teachers union protects bad teachers at the detriment to children. It is easy to change one of these two things, and once changed will help change the other over time.
Destroying teachers unions will not change a damn thing.
It will just suppress the wages of teachers even further. Teaching is already such a highly coveted position
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