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Old 03-23-2014, 11:32 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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No. It's not.
Yes, it is. Chart here:
//www.city-data.com/forum/33999095-post57.html

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No. It's not.
Yes, it is. [/quote]Peer OECD countries admit different students to different schools and/or tracks of schooling based on exams.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...6BHLwgKCfmmu0Q

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You really need to get out once in a while and experience the world outside of your fevered imagination.
You need to take your own advice instead of spewing uninformed opinions with no factual basis.

 
Old 03-23-2014, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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Originally Posted by HistorianDude View Post
The quotation is a fake. Khrushchev never said it.

That said... it is correct on at least one part. Some Americans are so gullible.
Actually, I believe he did say it, because I remember it. Where are you getting your info that he didn't say it?

He also said, "We will burry you" or it may have been, "we will burry your children."
 
Old 03-23-2014, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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There were a lot of people who replied to my post; I will explain myself further.

In a capitalist society that encourages productivity, we need some measure of social justice. Things like public schools, libraries, museums, free clinics, public transportation - these provide tools for citizens to obtain access to information and services that enable them to live more productive lives that they might not be able to afford initially. Without social justice, poor people would know that they will be poor no matter what they do, and they have no incentive to better their lives. Likewise, wealthy people would know that they will still remain wealthy and have exclusive access to the capital that makes them stay wealthy, so they have little incentive to stay on their toes and innovate in case they lose out. I think most people, partisan politics aside, would agree with me.

Example: Poor person wants to get a job. Most jobs require computer applications. Poor person cannot afford a computer. Poor person goes to state career center to fill out computer applications and look for suitable jobs. Eventually, poor person finds job and becomes a productive member of society.

Of course, there is the opposite extreme of socialism, where social justice is "overapplied." In this case, there is also no incentive, because everybody has an equal outcome, and working harder will not change that. I think we can all agree that this would be a bad situation as well.

In terms of your "racial balance" example, I think you hit the nail on the head about why social justice is such a complex topic. We generally want to "rise above" for ourselves and family members, and provide them with advantages that others don't have. So in our daily lives, we work against social justice. But keep in mind that the question shouldn't be about whether we should hire less qualified minorities instead of more qualified people in the majority. It should be about how we can allocate resources such that a "majority" person and a "minority" person would be able to determine their own level of qualification without external advantages. We can't exactly do that completely without interfering with others' rights (and I think most conservatives/Republicans are concerned about this.) But there are a lot more "win-win" solutions out there than some people are willing to acknowledge.
Thanks for clarifying.
 
Old 03-23-2014, 12:19 PM
 
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Originally Posted by HistorianDude View Post
The quotation is a fake. Khrushchev never said it.

That said... it is correct on at least one part. Some Americans are so gullible.
Those that have prospered from our economic demise have been the politburo-like corporate stock holders of our government officials. Only in a communist system does the government class prosper while the rest of us wait in bread lines, now known as welfare. Now these same bureaucrats give further bailouts for their corporate banking buddies.
 
Old 03-23-2014, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Actually, I believe he did say it, because I remember it. Where are you getting your info that he didn't say it?

He also said, "We will burry you" or it may have been, "we will burry your children."
What's "Burry"??? Some kind of furry bear or something. If you want to be taken at all seriously you should learn to spell basic words.
 
Old 03-23-2014, 01:54 PM
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Location: Florida
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I'm old enough to remember that. I remember discussing that quote in history class in H.S.
Doubling-down on your error.

Of course you believe people will believe your memory before they believe the research of the Library of Congress, a self-deception that is part of what fosters the continuation of corrupted perspectives such as those you support.

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He also said, "We will burry you" or it may have been, "we will burry your children."
Dance. Weave. Dodge. Squirm. With respect, you really would be better off not re-confirming what your prior contributions to the thread already demonstrated.

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What's "Burry"??? Some kind of furry bear or something. If you want to be taken at all seriously you should learn to spell basic words.
I am not sure if that is poor spelling. It might just be poor typing, exposing a high level of desperation in his comments.
 
Old 03-23-2014, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Richmond/Philadelphia/Brooklyn
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Switching up words to make your end of the issue sound more appealing? Conservatives do that all the time

EX: Takers, "job creators"(pretty much any 1%er), nanny state, etc.
 
Old 03-23-2014, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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Sure they do. If they actually believed in equal oppuryunity they would not be obsessed with the amount of money in conservatives
Bank accounts and trying to steal it to give to the lazy



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Straw man.

No progressives actually believe this.
 
Old 03-23-2014, 02:56 PM
 
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Yes, it is. Chart here:
//www.city-data.com/forum/33999095-post57.html

Yes, it is. Peer OECD countries admit different students to different schools and/or tracks of schooling based on exams.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...6BHLwgKCfmmu0Q

You need to take your own advice instead of spewing uninformed opinions with no factual basis.
Do you have the source for the first graph? Would be very interested to read the report or see the data if the larger context is available.
 
Old 03-23-2014, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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What's "Burry"??? Some kind of furry bear or something. If you want to be taken at all seriously you should learn to spell basic words.
LOL! Just ignore it. I guess my brain wasn't fully engaged, and of course spell check won't catch something like that. I could blame it on a sticky key ... but I don't suppose you'd buy that. :P
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