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Old 03-25-2014, 02:55 PM
 
Location: OKC
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Would things be better if all corporations were limited liability partnerships instead?
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Very nice and very wrong, but keep on regurgitating stale and hackneyed talking points from your Occupy Wall Street Press Book, which, by the way, are cheap second hand stolen goods from Das Kapital.
I think we have a Walton family member here....
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:02 PM
 
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Yes, you can spend it on the increased taxes we pay to subsidize Walmart worker's health care, housing, etc. Everything is cheap because they don't pay living wages or benefits and they buy only things made in 3rd world and slave-wage countries. Walmart TOLD Rubbermaid that if they wanted to stay in their stores, they needed to close their factory in Massachusetts and have their stuff made in China so they could make it cheaper. IMO, you're very naive if you think we don't all pay for that. Our kids will most of all. You're selling their futures for cheap razor blades.
Where did you learn this crap? Take some notes:

1) Nobody has a right to demand a living wage, a dying wage, or any other wage. You may negotiate a wage based on your talent, expertise, and rarity. It's called freedom. Wages are a trade. They are not a right.

2) Let me repeat, so it can penetrate the collectivist fog that is shrouding your brain and keeping you intellectually blinded: Wages are a TRADE, not a RIGHT.

3) Nobody has a right to demand benefits or health care or retirement pay from a corporation, an individual, their neighbor, their friends, or even their parents. NO RIGHT TO ANY OF IT. Personal responsibility for ALL of it.

3a: Your level of wealth is YOUR PROBLEM.
3b: Your health care is YOUR PROBLEM.
3c: Your retirement is YOUR PROBLEM.

Your job as an adult is to make yourself excellent, make yourself an achiever, and make yourself valuable to your fellow man so that he wants to pay you something for your time and talent. YOU ARE OWED NOTHING. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO NOTHING. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO DEMAND NOTHING.


EXCEPT FREEDOM!

4) Walmart can tell Rubbermaid any damned thing it wants. It's their store. And Rubbermaid can tell Walmart any damned thing they want. It's their Tupperware.

5) As far as kids, they are going to pay a price alright. For ill-informed parents without a decent philosophy on life. A philosophy that emphasizes individual rights, freedom, liberty, self-sufficiency, self-starting, and self-finishing. So you better get off your duff, pick up some Aristotle, and start learning what's real and what's a bill of goods sold to you by some dumbed down collectivist who wants to teach you to steal rather than produce.
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:02 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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It is not nonsense, it is economics. The ability for you to compete was eliminated by the government when they created the corporation. You cannot open a shop and compete with Walmart. You cannot open a sporting goods store and compete with Dicks or the Academy. You cannot open a supermarket and compete with Publix, Kroger, etc. You can only work for them. So in an economy they DO owe you a job, because they took away your ability to work independently.
You are absolutely right, but this is on a philosophical level that most cannot begin to digest.

The corporation became the enemy of the people in America when it (collectively speaking) crossed the line into off-shoring, making it impossible for Americans to compete for its jobs. Cross that line and cost cutting becomes treason.

Until people en mass start to "get" this, our downward spiral will continue. Thank you for your posts.
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:23 PM
 
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You are absolutely right, but this is on a philosophical level that most cannot begin to digest.

The corporation became the enemy of the people in America when it (collectively speaking) crossed the line into off-shoring, making it impossible for Americans to compete for its jobs. Cross that line and cost cutting becomes treason.

Until people en mass start to "get" this, our downward spiral will continue. Thank you for your posts.
Yes, correct. Because labor protectionism and collectivist tyranny over private property has always worked well and provided abundance and wealth.

Why don't you dig deep into that philosophical brain of yours and try to figure out why it is profitable to produce goods and hire people 1/2 a world away?

Could it be because of:

Excess domestic taxation?
Excess domestic regulation?
Confiscatory tariffs?
Union protectionism?
Wage price fixing?

It's profitable because we have made the cost of doing business here too high. And that is because we have subscribed to and embraced collectivist economic destruction.

Foreign job outsourcing is simply a chicken coming home to roost. We asked for it. We got it. But now we don't seem to like it. But don't seem to know how to stop it. I know! How about higher taxes and more regulations. YEAH!
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Yes, correct. Because labor protectionism and collectivist tyranny over private property has always worked well and provided abundance and wealth.

Why don't you dig deep into that philosophical brain of yours and try to figure out why it is profitable to produce goods and hire people 1/2 a world away?

Could it be because of:

Excess domestic taxation?
Excess domestic regulation?
Confiscatory tariffs?
Union protectionism?
Wage price fixing?

It's profitable because we have made the cost of doing business here too high. And that is because we have subscribed to and embraced collectivist economic destruction.

Foreign job outsourcing is simply a chicken coming home to roost. We asked for it. We got it. But now we don't seem to like it. But don't seem to know how to stop it. I know! How about higher taxes and more regulations. YEAH!
You use big words, that I dont think you understand.

Foreign wage outsourcing forces people of two different cost of living societies to compete against each other for wages. People in india can work cheaper than us because their BASIC living costs are far below ours. Hell Id work for $1 an hour ANYDAY so long as you also lower my bills by a proportional amount. Currently your WATER BILL is more than many of these workers make in a month. You cant compete with that, ever. It is a huge disparity and it only benefiting one entity, WallStreet.
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Aiken, South Carolina, US of A
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THe only unfair thing in regards to competion between large
foregin based companies, including most of the companies you know,
own our politicans in the government, therefore, the tax law is written
by them FOR them.
That is not what the founding fathers thought would happen.
Large billion dollar corporations ARE NOT people at all. THey have
one goal in mind, and that is to make as much money for their stockholders
as possible. Period. They don't care about anything else.
SO, we have a United Corporations of America.
That is the country we are living in.
And the American people are wondering why there aren't any jobs?
Hello? Look around.
The jobs creators are the American people. You are a job creator.
Corporations aren't out to create jobs, they are out to make the cheapest
widget in the world and sell billions of them.
THere are alot of positive things going for us as Americans though.
China is still a communist country, there aren't alot of middle class people
there, and their government is hanging on to a thread to try to make things
work out. There are a billion people in China, and sooner or later, the majority
will become dissatisfied with the government, and then what?
WHat are all these big Corps gonna do if China has an uprising?
Manufacturing will be coming back.
The US is still the biggest consumer based country in the world, we are
everyone elses job creators. We are , the people.
The people will eventually figure out what the Government has done, as far
as screwing them, the time is getting close, and that is why they want to
try to eliminate the personal vote in this country.
Just watch and see how things play out. If they can cut out the vote
and the AMerican people can't vote as easily, it will be alot easier to really stack
the government with their drones.
I think the American people are smarter than they think.
I hope the American people are, or we will end up like China.
The corporations would like that, don't you think?
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Old 03-25-2014, 04:01 PM
 
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The gov can encourage them to grow with their policies or add regulations and taxes that use up the cash that could have been used to grow the business which means they won't grow.
Government uses the tax code to do what they want the people to do.

A government that wants to encourage job growth would not write job killing regulations and raise taxes on business. The way the Obama administration is hurting business, particularly small business it appears as if he wants to run them out of business, hence discourage business growth resulting in lower employment.

Real estate is a good example. Some people can not afford to buy a house but government doesn't want to be a landlord so the tax code encourages people to invest in rental properties.
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Old 03-25-2014, 04:17 PM
 
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Americans are brainwashed into thinking that the rich and businesses are job creators. Somehow businesses purpose is to create jobs. Then ordinary people's jobs are to accept the jobs businesses are obligated to create. Now that businesses aren't creating as many jobs and offshore these jobs, The bitterness of the population starts. Where is my job. You creat jobs right. Where is it!

People never realize that the purpose of business is not simply creating jobs. Jobs are a result of business demand. Jobs are a byproduct of business. But nope. That's not how the average person in today's America thinks. They think As if businesses are just there to provide them jobs. No understanding of how business works. Everything from their own perspective. Everything revolves around what they want.

One has to be totally complacent to spoiling to reach this level of self unawareness. it is the responsibility of workers to look for jobs and prepare themselves for jobs.

Most new businesses fail. At least they tried. I wonder what the average person has done in addition to ridiculing businesses for not doing a favor?

The lie about job creators, with its expectations, must stop.
Very true. From a business standpoint, the term 'job' itself is being misapplied. What an employer offers is a position, not a job. Jobs are created with orders for a product or service, or 'business demand,' as you put it.

Positions are created by entrepreneurs. An entrepreneur can be rich or flat broke. Indeed, 'rags-to-riches' is part of the American Dream. All one needs is an idea, a viable business plan, and financing if necessary. Financing a business and creating a business are not one and the same. Wall Street may create positions for brokers and such, but that's it.

Anyone who says "a poor man never gave anyone a job" has no understanding of how a free economy operates.
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Old 03-25-2014, 04:19 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Somehow businesses purpose is to create jobs.
When a liberal starts a thread with a lie like this, there isn't much point in reading further.
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