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Old 03-25-2014, 06:09 AM
 
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Both basically say more markets and corporations, less government and sovereignty. The only real difference is that neoliberals unlike libertarians tend to support military interventionism and libertarians unlike neolibs oppose any sort of safety net.

Overall the ideas they promote they promote are the same, like trickle down economics, the unemployed/poor just needing to pick themselves up and get to work, the naive belief that trade makes war impossible, and glorification of big business especially the tech industry. Libertarianism is just an extreme form of neoliberalism basically.

As much as I dislike neoliberals they're far better and their ideology is much saner than libertarians. They still accept the necessity of government, and many if not most believe there should be social security programs and support for people who can't work. Libertarians on the other hand believe the government's only duty is to guard the border and punish criminals, and some would even say those duties should be privatized. In fact they partially have been already!

Like social democrats and moderate socialists, neoliberals are strong believers in democracy. Libertarians on the other hand advocate consumerism over the vote, and would rather we live in a world where dollars ran things not ballots.
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Old 03-25-2014, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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I consider libertarians to be economic terrorists and sociopaths. Neoliberals are Republicans who drive Priuses.
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Old 03-25-2014, 06:27 AM
 
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American brand libertarianism isn't nearly as extreme as its detractors love to suggest. Sure, there are those on the fringes, I suppose.The word libertarian sometimes means something more out-there on a global scale, but since the term "liberal" has been hijacked by those who embrace government oppression, they had to come up with something else.
Progressive is the next word we need to find a replacement for.
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Old 03-25-2014, 06:27 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Both basically say more markets and corporations, less government and sovereignty. The only real difference is that neoliberals unlike libertarians tend to support military interventionism and libertarians unlike neolibs oppose any sort of safety net.

All the libertarians I have conversed with are non-interventionists. Enough so, they get mislabeled isolationists.

I don't know where you got your information from, but you have been led down the wrong path.
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Old 03-25-2014, 06:45 AM
 
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All the libertarians I have conversed with are non-interventionists. Enough so, they get mislabeled isolationists.

I don't know where you got your information from, but you have been led down the wrong path.
I think you misread what I said. I said neoliberals tend to support intervention while libertarians don't. This is pretty much the only good thing about American-style libertarians.
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Old 03-25-2014, 06:48 AM
 
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Like social democrats and moderate socialists, neoliberals are strong believers in democracy. Libertarians on the other hand advocate consumerism over the vote, and would rather we live in a world where dollars ran things not ballots.
Consumerism is a form of voting
I don't support big corps, I support freedom of association and the big corps as we know them wouldn't exist without government assistance or protectioni$m
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Old 03-25-2014, 06:50 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I think you misread what I said. I said neoliberals tend to support intervention while libertarians don't. This is pretty much the only good thing about American-style libertarians.


I see where it is bad grammar and sentence structure.

The only real difference is that neoliberals unlike libertarians tend to support military interventionism
The only real difference is, neoliberals unlike libertarians, tend to support military interventionism.


Carry on.
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Old 03-25-2014, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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I vote for replacing the word "progressive" with "nanny". These are people that want to impose their upper-middle-class, urbanite values on everyone else.
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Old 03-25-2014, 06:59 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I vote for replacing the word "progressive" with "nanny". These are people that want to impose their upper-middle-class, urbanite values on everyone else.

I would rather call it what it is. Socialist.
Social Justice
Social Engineering
and the worst, Social Freedom. Which is nothing resembling freedom. It is giving individual politicians and government agencies, the power to change law at will.
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Old 03-25-2014, 07:12 AM
 
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I consider libertarians to be economic terrorists and sociopaths. Neoliberals are Republicans who drive Priuses.
Read and acquire some valuable knowledge then you will not have embarrassing posts such as this.
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