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Old 12-07-2007, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Originally Posted by oz in SC View Post
Nothing can be done.

This is what some people simply cannot grasp,people murdering others cannot be stopped.

If the person wants to commit harm upon others there is NOTHING that can be done prior to their act.
I wonder why these mass executions by disturbed individuals happen so much more frequently in the United States then anywhere else, though...

I just can't help but wonder if the semi-automatic weapons easily available makes it a bit easier for these guys.


I suppose with a pistol they could do it...but they would really have to be marksmen or get up real close to their victims.

With bows and arrows it would be even more difficult...although I have seen Westerns where Indians were pretty good at picking off cavalry from up in the cliffs. So I suppose it is possible.

 
Old 12-07-2007, 09:11 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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I wonder why these mass executions by disturbed individuals happen so much more frequently in the United States then anywhere else, though...

I just can't help but wonder if the semi-automatic weapons easily available makes it a bit easier for these guys.


I suppose with a pistol they could do it...but they would really have to be marksmen or get up real close to their victims.

With bows and arrows it would be even more difficult...although I have seen Westerns where Indians were pretty good at picking off cavalry from up in the cliffs. So I suppose it is possible.
One just happened recently in Finland.

I would also look beyond the weapon,it is simply a tool and if it was not available there are other methods of killing available.

Switzerland is an interesting example of a heavily armed society yet for some reason such crimes are not happening.

I would still like to know what an 'assault weapon' is and the characteristics
that separate it from other rifles.
 
Old 12-07-2007, 09:17 AM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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Originally Posted by oz in SC View Post
Nothing can be done.

This is what some people simply cannot grasp,people murdering others cannot be stopped.

If the person wants to commit harm upon others there is NOTHING that can be done prior to their act.
But there's no murder in countries where guns are banned, right?
 
Old 12-07-2007, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Northeast TN
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Originally Posted by oz in SC View Post
Nothing can be done.

This is what some people simply cannot grasp,people murdering others cannot be stopped.

If the person wants to commit harm upon others there is NOTHING that can be done prior to their act.
I disagree. I think that there is a point of no return and that people can be helped before that happens. The "how" is what I'm not certain about. I have a friend whose husband is special forces military and recently returned from Iraq. He is a stable guy, but her greatest fear is that he will harm himself as he is still dealing with PTSD. He doesn't want to hurt others, he just needs an outlet to deal with what he saw and what he was forced to do. However, I am not advocating banning guns because I agree with you that if the intention to harm is there, then the means will be found.
 
Old 12-07-2007, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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After reading a single line of this, can you say sanctimonious?

Forget that this child was disturbed and had severe personal mental health issues, forget that he stole the gun, forget that the system and his family failed him and lets all focus on a legally owned gun.

If he ended up in a high speed chase and ran over a school yard full of children would all of you be calling for the banning of cars or a new law that would make cars only do 35 mph? After all if it saves the life of one innocent child, isn't it worth it.

If I were a lawyer, I'd take the victim's case in a SECOND. If you take the other side, you'd lose.
 
Old 12-07-2007, 09:23 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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But there's no murder in countries where guns are banned, right?

Wherever people live there are murders,that is my point, NOTHING can be done to stop evil actions by others,well we could kill everyone...
 
Old 12-07-2007, 09:26 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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I disagree. I think that there is a point of no return and that people can be helped before that happens. The "how" is what I'm not certain about.
If you don't know HOW then you cannot help.

And if those who need the help do not ask for it then you won't know until it is too late.
 
Old 12-07-2007, 09:26 AM
 
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If I were a lawyer, I'd take the victim's case in a SECOND. If you take the other side, you'd lose.
Just goes to show that some are driven purely by their emotions devoid of logic or any respect for the law. Why think when you can just F E E L... it is the very thing that helped shrub go to war so why not use the same fears and emotion for another war a little closer to home.
 
Old 12-07-2007, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Originally Posted by oz in SC View Post
Wherever people live there are murders,that is my point, NOTHING can be done to stop evil actions by others,well we could kill everyone...

This is a great line of the gun lovers as they yet again shrug their shoulders. Read the stats and get back to us.
 
Old 12-07-2007, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Originally Posted by oz in SC View Post
One just happened recently in Finland.

I would also look beyond the weapon,it is simply a tool and if it was not available there are other methods of killing available.

Switzerland is an interesting example of a heavily armed society yet for some reason such crimes are not happening.
I would imagine part of the reason is Switzerland, which as you point out is an interesting exception, is not sending armies into other parts of the World and then bringing their soldiers back with psychological trauma and letting them back into general society without medical care.

The phrase Going Postal derives from the various incidence in the 1980s of Postal Workers mowing down people. In these cases and many others there is a high correlation with the killer being VietNam vets suffering from PTSD.

Now we most likely are going to go through this again with Iraqi vets.

Let's see how many use knives or screwdrivers.
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