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Old 12-11-2007, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Are you honestly so unaware of history and christianity that you don't believe that christians condone murder in the name of their religion? Please, and I am being serious here, do a little research about the things that are done in the name of god and christianity. Its truly a frightening thing.
That was then. This is now.
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Old 12-11-2007, 08:00 PM
 
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That was then. This is now.
Well, Christianity DID have a 600 year head start on Islam.
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Old 12-11-2007, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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That was then. This is now.
I wasn't just talking about then, there are things going on even now. Of course you ignore them because they don't fit your idea of christianity. Just the same way some muslims say the same thing about the horrible things that are done in the name of the muslim faith.

I'm not going to do your research for you. You look it up.
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Old 12-11-2007, 08:00 PM
 
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Other than my professor of middle-eastern studies at university, I am completely ignorant of the Islamic religion. So, according to him, a refugee from Iran after the deposition of the Shah, one not born into Islam can ever comprehend the religion, because it is so much more than that. Not just a religion, but a political belief, a way of life, an ancient tribal system. One that's survived.

Every school of thought has its fanatics. Some more violent than others.

That "teacher" should have been fired immediately and sent back to study religion & world history, (as well as common sense. )
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Old 12-11-2007, 08:11 PM
 
Location: SE Florida
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You feel that a 6th grader ~ age 12 or 13 ~ is too young to know about 9/11 and the radical Muslims who hate America?? Remember all the children who lost fathers and mothers and aunts and uncles?? A 6th grade student is not too young to know....
Sooner- Those men were no more acting on their faith as Jim Jones was on his. They were mentally ill fanatics.

Morningglory- I would report it to your school board member in writing and request an investigation. I would CC the state board of education, as well. This should be formally investigated and so noted on her record with the state. Even if the investigation results in no sanctions, it is strike one for her.

This site has lots of good info, including curriculum. Tolerance.org Your son is learning many life lessons through this experience and I am so glad that you are challenging it.

If you'd like input on composing your letter, this group might help: Home | Christian Alliance for Progress (http://www.christianalliance.org/site/c.bnKIIQNtEoG/b.592941/k.CB7C/Home.htm - broken link)

I had a problem speaking out about staff telling teens at a state-funded shelter where I worked that Muslims don't believe in God and telling the gay teens that they were possessed by satan. The director (a minister) was very helpful to me and was generous with his time in our phone calls. He also referred me to the ACLU and they were helpful, as well. He may have contacts in your area that would support you.
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Old 12-11-2007, 08:26 PM
 
Location: SE Florida
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Are you honestly so unaware of history and christianity that you don't believe that christians condone murder in the name of their religion? Please, and I am being serious here, do a little research about the things that are done in the name of god and christianity. Its truly a frightening thing.
We can see this in recent history- abortion clinic bombers. No faith can claim sole credit for promoting murder.

OTOH, I worked with some real hand wavers who knew where the line was drawn in working with kids at publicly-funded institutions.

The bottom line is, if you can't teach children without imposing your religious beliefs on them, you should not work in taxpayer-funded institutions.
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Old 12-11-2007, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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By a teacher! In a PUBLIC school! I was livid! How DARE anyone teach my child to hate! How dare they teach my child that every member of any religion wanted to kill!

I call the school, anonymously describe what happened (my son wants no retaliation), sirens go off, the principal informs the fundamentalist christian teacher that what she "taught" was not ok, it was not her job. The teacher argues that ALL muslims think that! The principal had to explain a whole bunch of stuff to her. I am asked by the principal to please, please inform the school if any such thing is said again. The teacher also "taught" that all geographic features could be divided into "god-made" and "man-made". When the principal confronted the teacher the teacher insisted that EVERYONE believes in a god, so it should not offend anyone.

So, would you insist that the teacher be fired? I am seriously worried about what she has "taught" that might stick with my son forever, how ugly and sad. I have already spent weeks undoing the hate-teaching, should she still be teaching?
Wow, I can't say I'm surprised, but at the same time I am a bit shocked that someone would actually present that as a fact in a class room; especially to young minds that are still developing opinions. The thing is, in a class of presumably 20-30 students, I think the chances of someone taking that as a fact within the classroom are pretty high.

I had a biology teacher in high school who put a camera in his classroom when the topic of evolution was taught. I think he did this to protect himself and quite honestly I think it was a great idea. I wonder if we had cameras in our schools if something like this could be prevented? Of course, in this day and age, someone would misconstrue it as some sort of pedophilia act.

I would definitely be raising a stink over this and bringing it as high as it needed to go.
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Old 12-11-2007, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Well, Christianity DID have a 600 year head start on Islam.
Yeah, 1400 years ago. When does Islam start to catch up?
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Old 12-11-2007, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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I wasn't just talking about then, there are things going on even now. Of course you ignore them because they don't fit your idea of christianity. Just the same way some muslims say the same thing about the horrible things that are done in the name of the muslim faith.

I'm not going to do your research for you. You look it up.
Look what up?

You're shooting blanks, my friend.
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Old 12-11-2007, 09:40 PM
 
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We can see this in recent history- abortion clinic bombers. No faith can claim sole credit for promoting murder.
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No recognized branch of Christianity sanctions or promotes the bombing of abortion clinics. To suggest otherwise is frankly repellant.
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