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Old 03-25-2014, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Nice scare tactic. Corporate personhood has been a fact since 1867.
You don't understand the laws of incorporation.

 
Old 03-25-2014, 08:09 PM
 
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Yeah... "you're discriminating against my ability to discriminate!"

Sorry, doesn't cut it.

If you want to discriminate on religious basis, do it on your church or non-profit. Go be a Westboro church and hold up the ugly signs on a street corner, that's your right. If you're a for-profit enterprise operating a global supply chain - i.e., offering a secular product in a secular market space - you shouldn't get to use "religion" as a license to discriminate.

And Hobby Lobby, like most capitalistic enterprises, is only as "religious" as their financial interests suggest for them to be. They have no problem doing extensive business with the Chinese, who are not Christian and who whole-heartedly support contraception and abortion at a state level. What a crock.
So if I want to exchange goods or services for cash, I have to surrender my rights?

When I accepted employment, I agreed to the benefits package and salary. Had that not been acceptable, I wouldn't have accepted the position. You don't like Hobby Lobby benefits, don't work there. Now the fed gov mandates things they have no right to mandate other than for the fact that they are the biggest nastiest kid on the block.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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So if I want to exchange goods or services for cash, I have to surrender my rights?

When I accepted employment, I agreed to the benefits package and salary. Had that not been acceptable, I wouldn't have accepted the position. You don't like Hobby Lobby benefits, don't work there. Now the fed gov mandates things they have no right to mandate other than for the fact that they are the biggest nastiest kid on the block.
I would say that if Mr. Green wanted to impose religious beliefs onto his employees, he should not have incorporated Hobby Lobby.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 08:16 PM
 
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So if I want to exchange goods or services for cash, I have to surrender my rights?

When I accepted employment, I agreed to the benefits package and salary. Had that not been acceptable, I wouldn't have accepted the position. You don't like Hobby Lobby benefits, don't work there. Now the fed gov mandates things they have no right to mandate other than for the fact that they are the biggest nastiest kid on the block.
And if you don't like the laws involved in operating a business, don't start a business. It works both ways.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 08:24 PM
 
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And if you don't like the laws involved in operating a business, don't start a business. It works both ways.
Wasn't Hobby Lobby doing just fine before Obama?

And they may close up shop.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 08:26 PM
 
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I would say that if Mr. Green wanted to impose religious beliefs onto his employees, he should not have incorporated Hobby Lobby.
Hiring someone is forcing religious beliefs? You lefties are really a weak minded bunch if that is what you think.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 08:27 PM
 
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Wasn't Hobby Lobby doing just fine before Obama?

And they may close up shop.
That would work. Someone else could buy the business who has no problem providing women decent healthcare.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 08:29 PM
 
Location: California
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Wasn't Hobby Lobby doing just fine before Obama?

And they may close up shop.

A lot of people and things "were doing just fine before...." fill in the blank with anything you wish.

If he wants to close up shop that's ok with me. If he wants to do business in the country the way the laws are set that's ok with me too. What I'm not ok with is someone wanting to preserve something in perpetuity because they happen to like it, and crying like a baby about being persecuted when it's just time marching on. Perhaps this is natures (gods?) way of telling these folks it's time to move on.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 08:33 PM
 
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Wasn't Hobby Lobby doing just fine before Obama?
I'm sure they were. So what? How is this relevant to my point?

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And they may close up shop.
That's odd. Hobby Lobby is opening a store here in Reno next month. Looks like it's expanding to me.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 08:35 PM
 
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I would say that if Mr. Green wanted to impose religious beliefs onto his employees, he should not have incorporated Hobby Lobby.
He is not imposing his religious beliefs. If he were saying that no one that worked at Hobby Lobby was allowed to use contraceptives, that would be imposing his religious beliefs.
He is not doing that. His employees are free to take contraceptives. They are free to get abortions. He just isn't willing to pay for either in the benefit package he provides to employees.

Every company has a drug formulary that spells out which drugs they cover and which they don't. Companies have always been free to choose those things before Obama start pandering for votes with "free" birth control.
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