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Old 03-30-2014, 11:07 AM
 
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And how often are these people going to medicaid providers before they get pregnant?
Why bother? They know they and their offspring are supported for free regardless of the consequences. There are no penalties for their own irresponsibility.
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Old 03-30-2014, 11:10 AM
 
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So to recap InformedConsent.... Your entire premise is based off the birth rates are static and welfare rates will only increase......
Both are true to date. So, your point is... what?
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Old 03-30-2014, 11:11 AM
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One town in rural Kentucky. Wow.

Okay, but as someone who has lived ALL over the south I can say with absolute certainty that the vast majority of welfare recipients in those red states vote Democratic if at all. No doubt in my mind whatsoever. I've known a few of them personally and am even related to some.

Most in red states would welcome the reduction in federal aid, except for perhaps the politicians who made them that way.
DO NOT forget that these red states are considered red because of one thing: presidential elections. Otherwise, many of them have democratic congressman bringing in the federal dough. Although republicans don't exactly turn the money down, they are by no means the only culprit.

Then there is the generational poverty that has existed in those places longer before the modern day liberal-conservative rhetoric, and long before they (those states as a whole) ever voted Republican. There is a whole lot more going on there than what political silliness and child's play could ever hope to fix.
Do you have actual evidence?

I also grew up in the south and could just as easily make the opposite argument. In the places I lived, it was hateful, white right wing conservatives (registered D but never voted or acted that way) who were milking the system with false disability claims.
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Old 03-30-2014, 11:12 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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You can thank Obama for the weaker than expected economy. Obama's former Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers, Christina Romer, resigned in 2010 because she knew from her own work as a researcher in Economics that if Obama's tax increase policies were enacted they would blunt an already very weak economic recovery.

Romer's study examined all the legislated tax changes in the U.S. since World War II, and found that there is a negative correlation between increases in the level of taxation and the amount of tax revenue received by the government as a result of that change.

She also found that for every 1% increase in the tax rate, GDP declined by anywhere from 2.5-3%, and that "... stems in considerable part from a powerful negative effect of tax increases on investment."
http://emlab.berkeley.edu/~dromer/pa...ERJune2010.pdf

Turns out she was right. We've had an extremely weak recovery.
Oh.... so the conservative planned "austerity" was not the way to go then.....

So was Obama responsible for the worst economic crisis in modern history?

Was Obama responsible for the decades long policies that undermined America's prosperity?

But let me guess..... it's the democrats/liberals fault..... They've had a dictatorship over this country for decades.....


You're such a good little lap dog..... just regurgitating what the far right want's you to believe.

Hopefully, you'll wake up and become an independent thinker.....
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Old 03-30-2014, 11:16 AM
 
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Why bother? They know they and their offspring are supported for free regardless of the consequences. There are no penalties for their own irresponsibility.
No penalties, that's a funny of looking at.....

So why are teen birth rates higher in bible belt states?

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Both are true to date. So, your point is... what?
True to date? What does that mean? Birth rates and welfare rates are the same as in 1954? LOLZ..... don't be dishonest, won't work here.

Lastly, you assume that once on welfare.... always on welfare....

My point is your entire premise is based off of flawed, dishonest, assumptions. You are taking an snapshot in time and extrapolating from that in order for it to fit your pre-conceived notions......
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Old 03-30-2014, 11:18 AM
 
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Oh.... so the conservative planned "austerity" was not the way to go then.....
Did austerity actually happen?

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So was Obama responsible for the worst economic crisis in modern history?
Giving loans to people who shouldn't have qualified for them was responsible. More here, including admissions from Fannie Mae:
//www.city-data.com/forum/34094912-post121.html

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Hopefully, you'll wake up and become an independent thinker.....
Actually, I'm hoping you're the recipient of such wisdom.
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Old 03-30-2014, 11:20 AM
 
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The poor are having 3x as many babies as non poor.

It's 50% now, up from 45% in 2010, up from 40% in previous years.
It's expected to go even higher with expanded medicaid and the bump up to 138% of FPL.

Grim news for our future.
That is a total twisting of statistics. I even posted about this, just a few posts up. Three times as many women on public assistance had a baby within the past year as women not on PA. That is because public assistance usually has a maximum limit of two years after having a baby!
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Old 03-30-2014, 11:23 AM
 
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That is a total twisting of statistics.
NO, it isn't.

Again...

Nearly Half Of U.S. Births Are Covered By Medicaid, Study Finds – Kaiser Health News
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Old 03-30-2014, 11:23 AM
 
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Did austerity actually happen?
Around the globe, yes.....

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Giving loans to people who shouldn't have qualified for them was responsible. More here, including admissions from Fannie Mae:
//www.city-data.com/forum/34094912-post121.html
That's the only reason?

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Actually, I'm hoping you're the recipient of such wisdom.
I'm not the one trying to argue that birth rates are static and welfare will only increase......

Seems your starting with the conclusion and trying your best to make the data support it.....
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Old 03-30-2014, 11:25 AM
 
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You know, you're getting back into your disingenuous phase again, like you did in the birther threads. You know damn well I meant the stat about women on PA having 3X the birth rate of "other" women.
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