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The First Amendment is not absolute in a public school, nor should it be.
Maybe private institutions, but public is Government and the 1st amendment restricts government from stifling free speech and the practice of religion.
The confederate flag is a symbolism of southern pride....but pride for what...racism?
It does not matter. It's a free speech issue. Free speech is not just free if it expresses thoughts that you agree with. As somebody said, "we don't need the First Amendment to allow us to talk about the weather".
I'll tell you what. Say you're a student in a K-12 public school. You're white and your teacher's black. Now go up and call your teacher (or another student) the N-word.
Do that and get back to me about the absolutism of the 1st Amendment in a public school.
A school must maintain a semblance of order and discipline among the students. How far they should go to that end is debatable. But one thing I would hope isn't debatable, is that while in a public school, you don't have the same 1st Amendment rights as if you were in the public square as a part of Klan or Neo-Nazi rally.
The first amendment is not in place to discuss the weather. It is their for very controversial things.
Fairly suspended means it is not a right, it is a privilege that can be taken and you punished for displaying a flag.
The first amendment is never a privilege to be controlled.
If you read my post, it was not about the first amendment. The first amendment does not provide a student the right to disrupt education.
I'll tell you what. Say you're a student in a K-12 public school. You're white and your teacher's black. Now go up and call your teacher (or another student) the N-word.
Do that and get back to me about the absolutism of the 1st Amendment in a public school.
A school must maintain a semblance of order and discipline among the students. How far they should go to that end is debatable. But one thing I would hope isn't debatable, is that while in a public school, you don't have the same 1st Amendment rights as if you were in the public square as a part of Klan or Neo-Nazi rally.
And you don't have the same first amendment rights at an Obama rally, right?
And you don't have the same first amendment rights at an Obama rally, right?
lol
Are you conceding the point?
The fact is, you can't say in school what you might get away with saying out in public. Being at school, for the student, is much more like being at a job than being out in the public square. It's that simple.
I'll tell you what. Say you're a student in a K-12 public school. You're white and your teacher's black. Now go up and call your teacher (or another student) the N-word.
Do that and get back to me about the absolutism of the 1st Amendment in a public school.
A school must maintain a semblance of order and discipline among the students. How far they should go to that end is debatable. But one thing I would hope isn't debatable, is that while in a public school, you don't have the same 1st Amendment rights as if you were in the public square as a part of Klan or Neo-Nazi rally.
Agreed with you on most things in your post. Way too much bad stuff can start in regular schools but hassling a kid for a Stars and Bars sticker on his vehicle is going too FAR IMHO. Even a swastika can be sticky to ban despite it being hijacked by the neo Nazi kind if the kid having 1 on his car is from India where it's a sacred symbol, like the cross is to Christians or the 6 point star to Jews.
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