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View Poll Results: Should we stop fluoridation of public drinking water?
Yes 43 56.58%
No Please explain why 37 48.68%
Other Explain 0 0%
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Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 76. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-30-2014, 03:20 AM
 
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With warning labels.
Lol right!!!

But suggest your water doesn't need it....you're a tin foil hatter
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Old 03-30-2014, 03:26 AM
 
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I really don't think you are being objective. You are very quick to believe studies that show Fluoride is a magic cure for teeth, but you do not believe Harvard studies (and others) that show it to lower IQs, cause autism and cancer and calcify our pineal gland (which is the scariest effect IMO).

Fluoride is a dangerous toxin and I cannot believe how most people don't care that our population is being mass-medicated with it-effects working?


I have a reverse osmosis filter system (which is really the only way to remove fluoride from the water).
Even if you boil water, the fluoride becomes more concentrated.

And this is not natural fluoride they are pumping into the public drinking water, it is industrial waste from processing aluminum.
Brings a whole other meaning to the word "stoned".
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Old 03-30-2014, 05:00 AM
 
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Evidence shows that fluoridation is a dismal failure. Only politics keeps it alive.

After 7 decades of water fluoridation, 6 decades of fluoridated toothpaste, a glut of new fluoridated dental products (and in higher concentrations, a fluoride-saturated food supply, America's children are fluoride overdosed but experiencing a tooth decay crisis - because most dentists won't treat poor people, who have the most need. And because ingested fluoride does not reduce tooth decay. At the same time organized dentistry lobbies against any viable groups willing to do fix the teeth of the dentally-neglected such as Dental Therapists..


Opposite to predictions, since fluoridation began in 1945:

1) Tooth decay crises occur in all fluoridated cities.

2) New dental professionals were created, e.g. dental therapists.

3) New dental schools opened.

4) Dental expenditures have gone up substantially, higher than the inflation rate.

5) Poor children’s cavities are more prevalent, severe, occur earlier and more likely to be untreated.

6) Despite dental spending growth, 42% percent of adults and 4 million children with dental problems could not afford dental care.

US Senator Bernie Sanders, in his 2012 report, “Dental Crisis in America,” says that 9,500 new dental providers are needed to meet the country’s current oral health needs

Science and government reports prove that fluoridation is a public health blunder; but politics keeps it alive It’s time for all Americans to demand their legislators stop adding unnecessary, health-robbing, money-wasting fluoride chemicals into their bodies via the water supply.

Emergency rooms are flooded with people in dental pain, costing taxpayers millions of dollars, because 80% of dentists refuse Medicaid patients, 130 million Americans don’t have dental insurance. Many of those with insurance can’t afford dentistry’s high out-of-pocket costs. No American is or ever was fluoride-deficient. Too many are dentist-deficient.

The US lags behind 10 other, mostly non-fluoridated, peer countries in cavity rates, according to WHO statistics.

Fluoridation Fails as America’s cavity crisis escalates For example:

BMC Oral Health reports that Kentucky, the most fluoridated state (100%) exceeds the US average for dental health problems as 13% of adults aged over 18 years are missing all of their teeth, compared to 6% nationally, placing Kentucky as the nation’s highest percentage of toothless persons.

Health Care in the Two Americas, reports, The states with the most tooth loss are West Virginia, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi and Kentucky (fluoridation rates 92%, 92%, 80%, 55% and 100%, respectively. Slightly fluoridated Hawaii and Utah have the lowest tooth loss rates.

In Connecticut, the 4th richest state, fluoridation is state-mandated since the 1960’s. Yet, 35% of white third-graders have cavities compared to 50% of African Americans and 50% of Hispanics – even though 42%, 35% and 49% have dental sealants, respectively. Up to 57% of low-income third-graders have tooth decay, 18% untreated, despite an increase in Medicaid utilization.

Fluoridation is required in Minnesota - 72% of low-income third-graders have tooth decay compared to 46% of non-poor). Between 2007 and 2010, Minnesota reported $148 million in emergency charges for preventable, non-traumatic dental care.

In Oregon, 52% of first, second and third graders in fluoridated areas had one or more cavities but only 48% in the non-fluoridated Oregon city of Portland.
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Old 03-30-2014, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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What about the harmful effects?

So you dont mind higher case of Autism, Cancer, as long as your teeth are ok?

Why should others have to suffer drinking poison?

LOL? This is anything but funny.
How much higher? To stop people's teeth from falling out, some risk is acceptable. An unhealthy mouth also causes other illnesses. 6 of one and half dozen of the other here. Do you think people who can't chew food properly because they have bad teeth is funny? Are you operating under impression that bad teeth don't have a negative impact on health? Here's a PSA: EVERYTHING we do has a negative impact on something. The real question is which set of negatives is worse. If I wrote an article on the negative effects of oxygen on the body would you want to ban that too?

And you don't have to drink poison if that's what you think fluoridated water is. If you don't want fluoridated water, buy a carbon water filter or buy bottled water or if you want to be green, buy a rain barrel.
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Old 03-30-2014, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Evidence shows that fluoridation is a dismal failure. Only politics keeps it alive.

After 7 decades of water fluoridation, 6 decades of fluoridated toothpaste, a glut of new fluoridated dental products (and in higher concentrations, a fluoride-saturated food supply, America's children are fluoride overdosed but experiencing a tooth decay crisis - because most dentists won't treat poor people, who have the most need. And because ingested fluoride does not reduce tooth decay. At the same time organized dentistry lobbies against any viable groups willing to do fix the teeth of the dentally-neglected such as Dental Therapists..


Opposite to predictions, since fluoridation began in 1945:

1) Tooth decay crises occur in all fluoridated cities.

2) New dental professionals were created, e.g. dental therapists.

3) New dental schools opened.

4) Dental expenditures have gone up substantially, higher than the inflation rate.

5) Poor children’s cavities are more prevalent, severe, occur earlier and more likely to be untreated.

6) Despite dental spending growth, 42% percent of adults and 4 million children with dental problems could not afford dental care.

US Senator Bernie Sanders, in his 2012 report, “Dental Crisis in America,†says that 9,500 new dental providers are needed to meet the country’s current oral health needs

Science and government reports prove that fluoridation is a public health blunder; but politics keeps it alive It’s time for all Americans to demand their legislators stop adding unnecessary, health-robbing, money-wasting fluoride chemicals into their bodies via the water supply.

Emergency rooms are flooded with people in dental pain, costing taxpayers millions of dollars, because 80% of dentists refuse Medicaid patients, 130 million Americans don’t have dental insurance. Many of those with insurance can’t afford dentistry’s high out-of-pocket costs. No American is or ever was fluoride-deficient. Too many are dentist-deficient.

The US lags behind 10 other, mostly non-fluoridated, peer countries in cavity rates, according to WHO statistics.

Fluoridation Fails as America’s cavity crisis escalates For example:

BMC Oral Health reports that Kentucky, the most fluoridated state (100%) exceeds the US average for dental health problems as 13% of adults aged over 18 years are missing all of their teeth, compared to 6% nationally, placing Kentucky as the nation’s highest percentage of toothless persons.

Health Care in the Two Americas, reports, The states with the most tooth loss are West Virginia, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi and Kentucky (fluoridation rates 92%, 92%, 80%, 55% and 100%, respectively. Slightly fluoridated Hawaii and Utah have the lowest tooth loss rates.

In Connecticut, the 4th richest state, fluoridation is state-mandated since the 1960’s. Yet, 35% of white third-graders have cavities compared to 50% of African Americans and 50% of Hispanics – even though 42%, 35% and 49% have dental sealants, respectively. Up to 57% of low-income third-graders have tooth decay, 18% untreated, despite an increase in Medicaid utilization.

Fluoridation is required in Minnesota - 72% of low-income third-graders have tooth decay compared to 46% of non-poor). Between 2007 and 2010, Minnesota reported $148 million in emergency charges for preventable, non-traumatic dental care.

In Oregon, 52% of first, second and third graders in fluoridated areas had one or more cavities but only 48% in the non-fluoridated Oregon city of Portland.
One problem with fluoridating the water is that people must drink the water. Fluoridation may indeed work for water drinkers but if someone drinks pop instead, their results don't change. When we go out to dinner, I see a lot of people choosing pop over water. In my younger days I would have too. Nowadays I like water with dinner. My kids have grown up liking water with meals because that's what was served.
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Old 03-30-2014, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Originally Posted by nyscof View Post
Evidence shows that fluoridation is a dismal failure. Only politics keeps it alive.

After 7 decades of water fluoridation, 6 decades of fluoridated toothpaste, a glut of new fluoridated dental products (and in higher concentrations, a fluoride-saturated food supply, America's children are fluoride overdosed but experiencing a tooth decay crisis - because most dentists won't treat poor people, who have the most need. And because ingested fluoride does not reduce tooth decay. At the same time organized dentistry lobbies against any viable groups willing to do fix the teeth of the dentally-neglected such as Dental Therapists..


Opposite to predictions, since fluoridation began in 1945:

1) Tooth decay crises occur in all fluoridated cities.

2) New dental professionals were created, e.g. dental therapists.

3) New dental schools opened.

4) Dental expenditures have gone up substantially, higher than the inflation rate.

5) Poor children’s cavities are more prevalent, severe, occur earlier and more likely to be untreated.

6) Despite dental spending growth, 42% percent of adults and 4 million children with dental problems could not afford dental care.

US Senator Bernie Sanders, in his 2012 report, “Dental Crisis in America,†says that 9,500 new dental providers are needed to meet the country’s current oral health needs

Science and government reports prove that fluoridation is a public health blunder; but politics keeps it alive It’s time for all Americans to demand their legislators stop adding unnecessary, health-robbing, money-wasting fluoride chemicals into their bodies via the water supply.

Emergency rooms are flooded with people in dental pain, costing taxpayers millions of dollars, because 80% of dentists refuse Medicaid patients, 130 million Americans don’t have dental insurance. Many of those with insurance can’t afford dentistry’s high out-of-pocket costs. No American is or ever was fluoride-deficient. Too many are dentist-deficient.

The US lags behind 10 other, mostly non-fluoridated, peer countries in cavity rates, according to WHO statistics.

Fluoridation Fails as America’s cavity crisis escalates For example:

BMC Oral Health reports that Kentucky, the most fluoridated state (100%) exceeds the US average for dental health problems as 13% of adults aged over 18 years are missing all of their teeth, compared to 6% nationally, placing Kentucky as the nation’s highest percentage of toothless persons.

Health Care in the Two Americas, reports, The states with the most tooth loss are West Virginia, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi and Kentucky (fluoridation rates 92%, 92%, 80%, 55% and 100%, respectively. Slightly fluoridated Hawaii and Utah have the lowest tooth loss rates.

In Connecticut, the 4th richest state, fluoridation is state-mandated since the 1960’s. Yet, 35% of white third-graders have cavities compared to 50% of African Americans and 50% of Hispanics – even though 42%, 35% and 49% have dental sealants, respectively. Up to 57% of low-income third-graders have tooth decay, 18% untreated, despite an increase in Medicaid utilization.

Fluoridation is required in Minnesota - 72% of low-income third-graders have tooth decay compared to 46% of non-poor). Between 2007 and 2010, Minnesota reported $148 million in emergency charges for preventable, non-traumatic dental care.

In Oregon, 52% of first, second and third graders in fluoridated areas had one or more cavities but only 48% in the non-fluoridated Oregon city of Portland.
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Old 03-30-2014, 12:45 PM
 
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They claim to be bumping up the naturally occurring levels found in ground water which is calcium fluoride. Cities are using hydrofluosilicic acid, an industrial waste product of the phosphate fertilizer industry and aluminum industry to do this. This substance is not a pharmaceutical grade fluoride. If cities want to boost the level of fluoride to what is found in nature they should use calcium fluoride and not hydrofluosilicic acid. Hydrofluosilicic acid is contaminated with Aluminium, Manganese, Barium, Arsenic, Cadmium, Chromium, Mercury, Nickel, Lead, Thallium, Antimony, Tin, Molybdenum, Cobalt, Beryllium, Strontium.

The public water supply should not be used to medicate people without their consent. There are subsets of the population that are sensitive to the toxic effects of fluoride. Infants should not be fed infant formula mixed with fluoride water. Kidney patients, diabetics, people with thyroid problems, and nutritional deficiencies should avoid drinking it.

A very small percentage of water is drank and the rest is used for cleaning, irrigation, and other uses. If people want fluoride they can buy it very cheap in a tube which says DO NOT SWALLOW and if you do swallow CONTACT POISON CONTROL.
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Old 03-30-2014, 12:57 PM
 
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If you want to ingest fluoride you are free to do so by getting a doctor's prescription. Water quality engineers are not licensed to practice medicine or give out prescriptions and should not be in charge of medicating everyone for a nonlethal disease such as dental decay. If you want to help poor children's tooth decay problems then lobby to stop food stamp money from being used to buy soda. Local health departments are not monitoring the population for adverse side effects possibly caused by fluoridated water.

There is no difference between fluoridated and nonfluoridated dental decay rates. [url=http://fluoridealert.org/studies/caries01/]Fluoride Action Network | Tooth Decay Trends in Fluoridated vs. Unfluoridated Countries[/url]

Americans are also the sickest people of all the rich countries. We have access to the best of the best yet we have the highest rates of premature birth death rates, cancers, stds, dementia, obesity, diabetes and a ton of other stuff.
[url=http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/new_scientist/2013/07/health_in_the_u_s_and_other_rich_countries_we_pay_ more_in_health_care_but.html]Health in the U.S. and other rich countries: We pay more in health care but are sicker.[/url]
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Old 03-30-2014, 01:51 PM
 
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Luckily, there is no evidence that ANYTHING causes cancer or autism.
School Science Project Reveals High Levels Of Fukushima Nuclear Radiation in Grocery Store Seafood
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Old 03-30-2014, 10:30 PM
 
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Let's see........I brush my teeth with fluoridated toothpaste and rinse with a fluoridated rinse. So, ummm, and I am supposed to drink waste-grade fluoride......for what reason???
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