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Old 03-31-2014, 02:32 PM
 
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So, what are the governments of the world DOING to alleviate these problems?
To date, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
WHY??
All we hear is; "We must do something to stop CO2 and methane production to stop and prevent global climate change!"
What if it is already too late to prevent or stop the changes?
Shouldn't we be concentrating on what needs to be done to compensate for the inevitable changes that have been foreseen?
WHY are no dikes and seawalls being built to protect coastal areas?
WHY are there no irrigation projects underway to take water from where there is too much to where there is not enough?
WHY isn't agriculture moving into the previously frozen areas? Oh, yeah, because they are STILL FROZEN!
Why is nothing ever mentioned about higher CO2 levels enhancing plant growth, which should result in higher crop yields?
If extreme weather will damage our electric, water delivery, and transportation infrastructure, WHY is nothing being done to better protect it?
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Capitalism.

The only way to do something about global warming is to make it profitable. This will eventually happen as the situation becomes more dire. It just won't happen soon.

As oil, water, and food reserves reach critical, expect the giant push. Just pray it isn't too late.
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Old 03-31-2014, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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Ugh. Both of you need to learn more about Milankovitch cycles.

I'll summarize for you; global climate change without anthropogenic impact happens in a minimum of ~10,000 years.

Our observations have recorded similar sharp changes in climate over 150 years. This at least 67 times as fast as natural cycling changes. To say this is natural is denying reality.

The natural changes in Earth's climate are caused by variations in solar energy in the Earth's system. This is due to the orbit. The major factors are orbital shape, axis tilt, and axial precession. In simplistic terms, if you spin a top, it won't spin uniformly. It wobbles as it spins, and wobbles as it revolves in a circular pattern. The wobbling is not perfect. The wobbling determines the differences in energy we receive from the sun. That causes our major long-range climate changes.
So, is it even remotely possible that the present warming trend is all that is keeping the Earth out of an Ice Age? A naturally caused ice age, of course.
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Old 03-31-2014, 02:41 PM
 
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...so what does anyone actually gain from denying climate change?

Deny it as the strongest hurricane / tornado / flood / storm on record demolishes your house.

How many more strongest / longest / worst droughts, hurricanes, tornadoes, blizzards do we have to experience for the deniers to wake up?
Let us say this all has everything to do with CO2, and exactly nothing else. If so, you are on the wrong forum yelling at the wrong people.

From 2000-2010, the US has reduced CO2 emissions per capita from 20.2 to 17.6 metric tonnes. China meanwhile has gone from 2.7 to 6.2 metric tonnes per capita in the same period.

So the US has actually decreased our total annual CO2 output by 858 million metric tonnes, and China has increased theirs by 4.74 billion metric tonnes. Right now, China puts out 8.4 billion metric tonnes of CO2 annually, and the US is responsible for 5.8 billion metric tonnes. Our total output is already lower than China's and decreasing every year.

So go after China, not America. Tell the UN/IPCC the same thing.
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Old 03-31-2014, 02:41 PM
 
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Oh look the IPCC puts out another report that says the same garbage to get the global warming cultists all wound out yet again.
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Old 03-31-2014, 02:42 PM
 
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Let us say this all has everything to do with CO2, and exactly nothing else. If so, you are on the wrong forum yelling at the wrong people.

From 2000-2010, the US has reduced CO2 emissions per capita from 20.2 to 17.6 metric tonnes. China meanwhile has gone from 2.7 to 6.2 metric tonnes per capita in the same period.

So the US has actually decreased our total annual CO2 output by 858 million metric tonnes, and China has increased theirs by 4.74 billion metric tonnes. Right now, China puts out 8.4 billion metric tonnes of CO2 annually, and the US is responsible for 5.8 billion metric tonnes. Our total output is already lower than China's and decreasing every year.

So go after China, not America. Tell the UN/IPCC the same thing.
China already told em to shove it so no tax money from them so they aren't even in the conversation anymore.
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Old 03-31-2014, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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That, too, is rather funny!
Yes, the climate is changing.
I would like to see some irrefutable evidence that the science describing the WHY of the changes is correct.
I really would, but there isn't much, if any, that I can see.
Seems to me, the real world climate results just don't match their computer models. If the science was in any way accurate, the models and the real world would be VERY close!
I don't know where you have been doing your research but according to NOAA they are almost a perfect match....

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Old 03-31-2014, 02:43 PM
 
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Capitalism.

The only way to do something about global warming is to make it profitable. This will eventually happen as the situation becomes more dire. It just won't happen soon.

As oil, water, and food reserves reach critical, expect the giant push. Just pray it isn't too late.
Funny how many of the same folks howling about how global warming will cause everyone to starve on and on in one thread make fun of preppers in other threads. Not saying you in particular but it is quite the conundrum.
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Old 03-31-2014, 02:45 PM
 
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I don't know where you have been doing your research but according to NOAA they are almost a perfect match....
Oh no here come the giant graphs like clockwork.........lol
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Old 03-31-2014, 02:46 PM
 
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Yeah, I saw that on the news today. It also said we're woefully unprepared to adapt.
Instead of adapting, many are still denying.
Yes, the American right...I'm looking at you.
The report can be broke down to two words.

Feed me.
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Old 03-31-2014, 02:50 PM
 
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...so what does anyone actually gain from denying climate change?
Absolutely no one denies that climates change.

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Deny it as the strongest hurricane / tornado / flood / storm on record demolishes your house.
Just believe and your home will be protected.

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How many more strongest / longest / worst droughts, hurricanes, tornadoes, blizzards do we have to experience for the deniers to wake up?
Maybe when we do.

2013 Atlantic hurricane season wrap-up: least active in 30 years

‘Least extreme U.S. weather year ever?’ 2013 shatters the record for fewest U.S. tornadoes — 15% lower than previous record — 2013 also had the fewest U.S. forest fires since 1984 | Climate Depot

It seems whatever we are doing is working.
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