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Old 04-05-2014, 07:28 AM
 
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Originally Posted by FlamencoFreak View Post
I have not only read it, I understand it. It appears you do not.

I further understand how courts have interpreted it, and also how the Bill of Rights has been applied and applies in this case. Do you? As a foreigner, you may not have done sufficient study.
Reading and regurgitating far-right blog posts is what you call "study"?

 
Old 04-05-2014, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Originally Posted by FlamencoFreak View Post
This is about the chilling of Free Speech by those who disagree with the political position of individuals or groups, not exclusively about the Mozilla case.

In New York city, gun rights advocates had their names and addresses published and were subjected to the same kind of public exposure because of their views, vandalism, and other forms of attack.

This is the dangerous direction we are headed as a country. Freedom and Liberty are threatened when mob rule becomes the arbiter of justice.
Presumably this is why you wrote the following in the other thread:

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I hope all those who support free speech will take a stand and voice their disapproval of Mozilla's actions against the free speech rights of not only Brendan Eich, but the right of all Americans to express their opinion by vote, donating to a cause, or otherwise.
The fact is upper echelon business executives often sign contracts that limit their free speech and include character clauses that cover past and future actions. No one has a right to be a CEO and that's been proven over and over again.

Edit: Oh, I see your duplicate thread was rightfully merged with this one. Should we expect a thread about how your first amendment rights were impinged upon?
 
Old 04-05-2014, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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About 7 million of them voted to "Eliminate the rights of same-sex couples to marry" in 2008. That's pretty mean. It also wasn't the majority of Citizens of California. It was 52% of the people who could be bothered to vote.
Read their manifesto on their website.
The Mozilla Manifesto
They obviously don't see it that way.

Mozilla is a 'global' company. The Internet is "global".

Apparently your idea of freedom of speech is to shut down the speech of people who have different views to you. Classic.
In view of what has been happening in our country, it would appear that it is your side that is opposed to Free Speech. We do not use, support or employ intimidation, threat of violence (or actual violence), public ridicule etc. against those who disagree with conservative (majority) opinion.

In America, it is those who show up to vote that count. After the fact remorse and lawsuits to overturn what those who cared enough about an issue to vote, by those who didn't, is not how our democratic republic is supposed to work. The ballot box is where we are to express our approval of measures brought before the public. If they didn't like Prop 8, they should have showed up to vote against it.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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Why would you purposefully start a repeat thread on this topic, when this is already being discussed here where you are also participating? //www.city-data.com/forum/polit...epping-13.html
Thanks for hijacking this thread and getting it moved to one which is not about Free Speech.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 07:39 AM
 
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From the Mozilla blog
The Mozilla Blog | News, notes and ramblings from the Mozilla project
Brendan Eich Steps Down as Mozilla CEO
Mozilla prides itself on being held to a different standard and, this past week, we didn’t live up to it. We know why people are hurt and angry, and they are right: it’s because we haven’t stayed true to ourselves.

We didn’t act like you’d expect Mozilla to act. We didn’t move fast enough to engage with people once the controversy started. We’re sorry. We must do better.

Brendan Eich has chosen to step down from his role as CEO. He’s made this decision for Mozilla and our community.

Mozilla believes both in equality and freedom of speech. Equality is necessary for meaningful speech.
And you need free speech to fight for equality. Figuring out how to stand for both at the same time can be hard.

Our organizational culture reflects diversity and inclusiveness. We welcome contributions from everyone regardless of age, culture, ethnicity, gender, gender-identity, language, race, sexual orientation, geographical location and religious views. Mozilla supports equality for all.

We have employees with a wide diversity of views. Our culture of openness extends to encouraging staff and community to share their beliefs and opinions in public. This is meant to distinguish Mozilla from most organizations and hold us to a higher standard. But this time we failed to listen, to engage, and to be guided by our community.

While painful, the events of the last week show exactly why we need the web. So all of us can engage freely in the tough conversations we need to make the world better.
We need to put our focus back on protecting that Web. And doing so in a way that will make you proud to support Mozilla.

What’s next for Mozilla’s leadership is still being discussed. We want to be open about where we are in deciding the future of the organization and will have more information next week. However, our mission will always be to make the Web more open so that humanity is stronger, more inclusive and more just: that’s what it means to protect the open Web.

We will emerge from this with a renewed understanding and humility — our large, global, and diverse community is what makes Mozilla special, and what will help us fulfill our mission. We are stronger with you involved.

Thank you for sticking with us.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 07:41 AM
 
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Thanks for hijacking this thread and getting it moved to one which is not about Free Speech.
That's because it's not about Free Speech.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 07:44 AM
 
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In view of what has been happening in our country, it would appear that it is your side that is opposed to Free Speech. We do not use, support or employ intimidation, threat of violence (or actual violence), public ridicule etc. against those who disagree with conservative (majority) opinion.
Were you wearing flame retardant pants while you typed that?
 
Old 04-05-2014, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Thanks for hijacking this thread and getting it moved to one which is not about Free Speech.
Feel free to boycott my posts.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 07:49 AM
 
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I must point out if society deems that being anti-homosexual marriage is not a belief based on bigotry/homophobia, but one of religious conviction, then the fight over homosexual marriage will never end.

conservatives will hide behind religious belief to put forth a consistently anti-homosexual political agenda and will constantly attempt to codify into law their religious conviction against homosexual marriage.

Look at abortion which is settled law, but because being anti-choice is not seen as a belief based on bigotry/sexism but as an acceptable religious conviction, conservatives have never stopped fighting against women's reproductive rights.

conservatives are able to push forward and get put into law an extremely sexist and anti-women viewpoint.

They are able to do this because those laws are viewed as based on religious beliefs and not sexist attitudes that want to control the sexuality of women.

We get a glimpse of the sexism that undergirds those viewpoints when conservatives talk about legitimate rape, because women who seek abortions in the minds of a huge percentage of conservatives are sluts and liars who would seek an abortion while claiming rape even though they aren't raped. This is a wide spread belief amongst conservatives.


If as a society we do the same with homosexual marriage, the fight over that issue will never end.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 07:52 AM
 
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This has noting to do with the free market. This was mobs of bigots demanding their way. There is nothing right about this, and there is nothing good about it. It is as bad as any organized crime mob thuggery.

This is the tyranny of angry mobs of lawbreakers. They are perpetrators of vandalism, bullying, and public ridicule of anyone who doesn't agree with them. They threaten peoples businesses, and rob people of Liberty and their pursuit of happiness.

These are the homosexual Taliban. Quite frankly, I'm tired of remaining silent. I intend to speak out against their bigotry and hate, and their criminal behavior.
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Don't you love it when the Leftists (in this case the militant homosexual activists) who don't believe in the free market, then claim that the free market "worked?"

I agree with you. This had nothing to do with the market. These Leftist criminals (make no mistake, some of these are the same ones who vandalized homes, automobiles and other properties of those who supported Prop 8) be in support of free market principles only when their interests are served, not the interests of others. They are the worst kind of hypocrites and liars. They are hate filled bigot that demand special rights, and rights which violate the rights of those exercising their constitutionally protected rights.
This is hysterical. And I don't mean in a funny way.
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