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Old 04-05-2014, 08:15 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Yes but heroin legalized is not a pretty pic
Look at england
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Old 04-05-2014, 08:29 PM
 
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Nice way to hide behind percentages ... how about numbers since the population demographics are drastically different. Now to compare apples to apples ... at the turn of the century, they were legal and readily available ... 5%. Today they are illegal and readily available ... 5%. Would you have me believe that todays 5% would stay that way if all drugs were legal?

Look at the credentials of D.E. Johnson ... they are at best ... weak. Was there any peer review? Probably not, since his academic 'peers' are less than accomplished scholars.

Hopefully, you can find a better source.

El Nox
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Old 04-05-2014, 09:18 PM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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Again, SO WHAT? Such statement is nothing but a deflection.

because its the truth
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Old 04-05-2014, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Tens of thousands of innocent people died as a result of gang wars during Prohibition. Many more have died as a result of the "War on Drugs", begun in the 1970's by Nixon.

For those who support Drug Prohibition, Have you looked at the statistics? What is your goal, anyways? To minimize the number of deaths?

Here are some undisputed facts:
  • Most people who try such drugs such as heroin, cocaine, etc., do not get addicted. A very small percentage become addicts.
  • Of the people who die as a result of drugs use, most die as a result of AIDS or overdose, both of which are, arguably, a result of the illegal ingestion method itself, rather than the intrinsic nature of the drug itself.
  • So-called "Psychedelic" drugs such as LSD, Peyote, Psilocybin (mushrooms), are physically harmless, Many even have long-term positive cognitive effects.




Undisputed facts?

That's a hoot!


So your plan is to make currently expensive and illegal street drugs so affordable and readily available that drug dealers won't have an incentive to sell them?


OK, I'll play along.

How does providing an addict all the cocaine or heroine they want result in fewer drug overdoses?
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Old 04-05-2014, 09:44 PM
 
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Undisputed facts?

That's a hoot!


So your plan is to make currently expensive and illegal street drugs so affordable and readily available that drug dealers won't have an incentive to sell them?


OK, I'll play along.

How does providing an addict all the cocaine or heroine they want result in fewer drug overdoses?
Buying heroin and meth on the street is not expensive but you have no idea what's really in it. If it was regulated it could be more controlled and you wouldn't have to buy it on the street. So these dealers would be out of business. We provide nicotine to addicts...many who die all the time because of health issues related to it. What's the difference.
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Old 04-05-2014, 09:54 PM
 
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Yes but heroin legalized is not a pretty pic
Look at england
Pretty sure England is safer than the US
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Old 04-05-2014, 11:47 PM
 
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Undisputed facts?

That's a hoot!

So your plan is to make currently expensive and illegal street drugs so affordable and readily available that drug dealers won't have an incentive to sell them?
You have no clue what you are talking about.

People get hooked on RX drugs and turn to illegal drugs because they are much cheaper.

Bags of heroin in Philadelphia sell for 3 to 5 dollars, versus 25 to 60 dollars for a single oxycontin pill.

People get hooked, then turn to heroin when they can't afford the oxycontin.
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Old 04-06-2014, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Texas
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First you say stoned drivers are safer than sober ones, and now you claim they are safer than drunk drivers. This is why you cannot be taken seriously.

Nation wide traffic fatalities have decreased by 55% due to car safety. I am sorry it had decreased only 9% in the pot states, but maybe that should make you think about the validity of your "study".
I'm guessing the premise is about those who smoke vs those who drink. Not about if someone is stoned and driving vs someone who is drunk and driving.
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Old 04-06-2014, 01:37 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Drugs, to include pot will never be legalized on a national basis in this country. There is too much money being moved around that would stop if drugs were legalized.
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Old 04-06-2014, 05:25 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I'm guessing the premise is about those who smoke vs those who drink. Not about if someone is stoned and driving vs someone who is drunk and driving.
He is trying to argue stoned drivers are safer than sober drivers, and then he starts talking about drunk drivers, and someone is talking about drivers who play with their phones etc. The bottom line is that driving stoned is very dangerous.
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