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Old 04-11-2014, 08:24 PM
 
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That's why people always say "didn't the U.S. back bin Laden?" Yeah ...but not because we thought he was such a super guy. People do not often understand the nuances of foreign policy, or why different decisions are made.

 
Old 04-11-2014, 08:28 PM
 
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That's why people always say "didn't the U.S. back bin Laden?" Yeah ...but not because we thought he was such a super guy. People do not often understand the nuances of foreign policy, or why different decisions are made.
True true. We did anything and everything to oppose communism and are still seeing the effects today.
 
Old 04-11-2014, 08:29 PM
 
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Ah, I see your confusion. We supported opposition to dictators who were communists because that makes sense. We didn't, for example, support resistance movements because they were capitalists who wanted democracy.
We supported resistance so long as they were trying to overthrow a "socialist" government. Cuba, Nicaragua, Chile, etc.
 
Old 04-11-2014, 08:30 PM
 
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True true. We did anything and everything to oppose communism and are still seeing the effects today.
Right, but you can't analyze the situation and say "oh, you supported bin Laden against the USSR, so therefore by definition bin Laden is on the right, since he opposed someone on the left." Bin Laden didn't want anyone in his turf, he wasn't sitting there doing high-brow analysis of political views.

Also, we were right to do everything to oppose communism.
 
Old 04-11-2014, 08:36 PM
 
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Right, but you can't analyze the situation and say "oh, you supported bin Laden against the USSR, so therefore by definition bin Laden is on the right, since he opposed someone on the left." Bin Laden didn't want anyone in his turf, he wasn't sitting there doing high-brow analysis of political views.

Also, we were right to do everything to oppose communism.
Well, you could consider bin Laden right wing (global right, not US conservative) since he was advocating a very rigid social order, emphasized religion, and wanted to maintain (renew rather) the social order when Muslims controlled the greater Middle East and beyond.

US politics are clustered in the center. That's why it is so difficult to discuss these issues in the US because most people don't understand there is a difference...it was like trying to explain to my wife that Stephen Colbert plays a character on TV.
 
Old 04-11-2014, 08:39 PM
 
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Well, you could consider bin Laden right wing (global right, not US conservative) since he was advocating a very rigid social order, emphasized religion, and wanted to maintain (renew rather) the social order when Muslims controlled the greater Middle East and beyond.

US politics are clustered in the center.
I don't know what bin Laden specifically was advocating, so I can't say. But emphasizing religion isn't what defines the political spectrum. If he's for centralized government determining what others can or cannot do, then he's on the left. Sorry.
 
Old 04-11-2014, 08:41 PM
 
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Also, that last point of mine may confuse you, since people on the right are much more religious in the U.S. than people on the left. However, that's not what defines them on the political spectrum. In other words, nobody says "atheists are on the left and everyone who goes to church is on the right." It just so happens that people who believe in government control and so on are often also people who mock religion, but that doesn't mean that an atheist can't be on the right of the political spectrum.
 
Old 04-11-2014, 09:26 PM
 
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That's a good thing. More food grows when it's warmer.

It's a natural cycle and has nothing to do with MMGCC.
Food doesn't grow well in deserts. Perhaps you should look at how fast deserts have been growing?
 
Old 04-11-2014, 09:27 PM
 
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Sure. All of them. There you go.
LOLZ. You got nothing. Let the big boys talk, run along.
 
Old 04-11-2014, 09:31 PM
 
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LOLZ. You got nothing. Let the big boys talk, run along.
OK, let me know when they show up. All I see is you.
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