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Old 04-06-2014, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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I never said they were, nor did the doctor. Gun violence is the issue.
Why just "gun" violence? Why not sexual violence? Why not domestic violence? why not just all violence in general?

Oh, that is right, You can not milk it for the agenda of civilian disarmament.
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Old 04-06-2014, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Yeah, I'm very familiar with the Korean deal. It's been going on for about 3 years now. I'll respectfully correct one aspect of your post, though. He didn't ban the import of any imported firearms. He just hasn't authorized the import license to be issued. He didn't issue an executive order as Bush 1 did and impacted a lot of importers who were trading with China, Romania, great German products. President Obama just hasn't chosen to act on import license and authorize the import. Maybe he thinks he can get some thing in return....I don't know.
But to think he's holding up a couple containers of M1 carbines as a form of gun control is ridiculous as the percentage of black rifles is so much greater than this half load and those are the one's that get up liberal's noses and what they always target.

Too bad, because word in the industry say's these are some of the finest M1s and Garands ever to hit the market since the early days of the CMP program. When they finally do come in, I've already got my wish list in to some old friends, still in the business.

Seriously though, is that all you Got?
I pay to god that it is....

This idea that a small infringement is no less a infringement because it is small is a joke?
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Old 04-06-2014, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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What was the point of saying guns are a significant factor in health care if he wasn't trying to influence gun laws?
Because gun violence is responsible for a large number of deaths according to the Center for Disease Control, should they ignore that fact since we have the highest mortality rate of any civilized country?
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Old 04-06-2014, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Show me a gun control bill that has passed that has ever reduced crime.
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That doesn't matter, because even talking about the fact that guns cause a lot of deaths and are a big problem, mostly in the inner city is unacceptable to the thought police at the NRA and thus they must crush anybody who remotely mentions such things. In this case a doctor for talking about things that impact doctors.
That's the liberal motto, it doesn't matter if the facts don't fit the agenda.

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Said what? That guns should be banned? He didn't. He said gun violence is a significant factor in health care.
Which is a load of manure, gun violence is a blip on the radar compared to pretty much everything else as far as health care costs go. Even the CDC study says nothing about guns being a significant health cost, it did however refute every anti gun talking point - those pesky facts again.
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Old 04-06-2014, 07:19 PM
 
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Because gun violence is responsible for a large number of deaths according to the Center for Disease Control, should they ignore that fact since we have the highest mortality rate of any civilized country?
How can guns be responsible if they're inanimate objects? Are you able to put charges against a gun and try it in court? If not, I don't see how one could be responsible for anything unless they've developed some sort of artificial intelligence.
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Old 04-06-2014, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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It's hard to argue against the suggestion that something related to thirty thousand US deaths a year is a public health issue. This would be no different than arguing that automobile accident deaths (a relatively equivalent figure) are a public health issue.

Yet, it's difficult to envision The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers lobbying against someone who made that suggestion. Anything related to thousands of deaths a year is clearly a public health issue. I'd be far more concerned by a Surgeon General who didn't make that connection, than by one who did.

The Second Amendment, how it's interpreted, and what--if any--limitations should be placed upon it; are entirely different conversations, which are completely unrelated to the function of The Surgeon General. At best, he would function no differently than a prominent private citizen in regards to presenting his personal views on the subject.
It's not hard at all to argue against this suggestion. Most gun deaths in the US are suicides.
Suicides account for most gun deaths | Pew Research Center

Yet there are many other implements used for suicide, such as ropes, razors, and bedsheets. Would you be "far more concerned" about a Surgeon General who neglected to discuss banning ropes, razors, and bedsheets?
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Old 04-06-2014, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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How can guns be responsible if they're inanimate objects? Are you able to put charges against a gun and try it in court? If not, I don't see how one could be responsible for anything unless they've developed some sort of artificial intelligence.
How can hand grenades be responsible for violence since they are inanimate objects.
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Old 04-06-2014, 07:26 PM
 
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That's the liberal motto, it doesn't matter if the facts don't fit the agenda.



Which is a load of manure, gun violence is a blip on the radar compared to pretty much everything else as far as health care costs go. Even the CDC study says nothing about guns being a significant health cost, it did however refute every anti gun talking point - those pesky facts again.
Which is why he said he would focus on obesity as surgeon general. But we all know the NRA thought police cant let slide that one time he said one thing about guns at that one place.
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Old 04-06-2014, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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It's not hard at all to argue against this suggestion. Most gun deaths in the US are suicides.
Suicides account for most gun deaths | Pew Research Center

Yet there are many other implements used for suicide, such as ropes, razors, and bedsheets. Would you be "far more concerned" about a Surgeon General who neglected to discuss banning ropes, razors, and bedsheets?

Easy access to guns most certainly is a factor in suicides and many who failed in their first attempt move on.

We need razors and bed sheets, silly and immature argument.
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Old 04-06-2014, 07:28 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I must have missed it. What Federal gun control bills has the president introduced and signed into law in the last 6 years?
If the question gives you pause, I will give you a hint. None! Zip! NADA!
As a bonus question,
What gun control bill has any surgeon general in the history of the nation sponsored, signed, passed or submitted to congress?

I guess the other thread started about dirty seditious liberals wanting to ban all guns hit home with too much truth so you had to start another one along the same lines.



Not for the lack of trying....
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