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Old 04-07-2014, 09:53 PM
 
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If Harrier can't pay the bills then he won't, and neither will anyone else.

We all have to go sometime.

When Harrier is no longer required by law to have health insurance, then he will obtain HI.
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In short, Harrier is a certified leech upon society.

Harrier should thank Obama for the relatively easy open enrollment provisions of Obamacare. The only Republican plan Coburn-Burr-Hatch would make it extremely expensive for Harrier to get insurance. It would be voluntary of course but insurance carriers wouldnt cover pre-existing conditions and if you were without insurance for 18 consecutive months they could charge you what ever the felt. Harrier will be thanking Obama sometime in the next five years.
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Old 04-07-2014, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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In short, Harrier is a certified leech upon society.
How so?

Harrier just said that if he could not pay medical bills that he would not accept any medical help.

What part of that did you not understand?
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Old 04-08-2014, 07:48 AM
 
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Then why shouldn't they have access to healthcare insurance?
Yes, and let's give the rapist and robber fellons BMW's to drive .... why shouldn't they have transportation? Let's give them free shelter, and free food, and free movie tickets too ... then a brilliant liberal will propose a cost saving measure ... instead of free movie tickets ... they all get 40" plasma TVs and a free account with netflicks, which will save money!!!!

The insanity knows no boundary with you people ... it just gets crazier and crazier.
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Old 04-08-2014, 11:17 AM
 
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To a liberal, "access" means that someone else is paying for the health insurance, usually "the rich".
That's not at all what it means to me.

As a self-employed person, I simply wanted the right to purchase private health insurance on the same basis as corporate employees, instead of being shut out due to a pre-existing condition.

Folks (like me) who aren't interested in a subsidy certainly aren't forced to take it.
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:40 PM
 
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If Harrier can't pay the bills then he won't, and neither will anyone else.

We all have to go sometime.

When Harrier is no longer required by law to have health insurance, then he will obtain HI.
I applaud your independence!

Last fall a friend of mine got nailed by a poisonous snake out in his back yard. I ran him up to the hospital because he was in lot of pain. His leg was swelling up like a balloon and they wanted to give him that anti-venom treatment.

Now my friend was on of those dummies who bought medical insurance despite knowing that he would soon be required by law to have it. In his case it worked out well since the anti-venom treatment wound up running around $140,000.

However, I remember thinking there are probably people without insurance who would show up and not even have the common decency to say, "Skip the treatment, Doc, I don't have $140K handy so just let the poison do what it will."

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Old 04-08-2014, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I applaud your independence!


Thank you.
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Old 04-08-2014, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I applaud your independence!

Last fall a friend of mine got nailed by a poisonous snake out in his back yard. I ran him up to the hospital because he was in lot of pain. His leg was swelling up like a balloon and they wanted to give him that anti-venom treatment.

Now my friend was on of those dummies who bought medical insurance despite knowing that he would soon be required by law to have it. In his case it worked out well since the anti-venom treatment wound up running around $140,000.

However, I remember thinking there are probably people without insurance who would show up and not even have the common decency to say, "Skip the treatment, Doc, I don't have $140K handy so just let the poison do what it will."

And most hospital bills end up being settled for much much less.

Here's a snake anti-venom story.
$89K got reduced to $20K with the patient paying $5K.
And the vial of anti-venom retails for $750.

SnakeBite Causes $89,000 Hospital Bill for North Carolina Couple - TIME
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Old 04-08-2014, 04:08 PM
 
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And most hospital bills end up being settled for much much less.

Here's a snake anti-venom story.
$89K got reduced to $20K with the patient paying $5K.
And the vial of anti-venom retails for $750.

SnakeBite Causes $89,000 Hospital Bill for North Carolina Couple - TIME
Well, those folks were dumb enough to buy insurance and everybody knows the insurance companies get a huge break.

However if you're going it alone you generally get socked for the full sticker price.

The problem with these emergency cases is that you rarely have time to sit around doing research on the internet and haggling with the with the hospital's accounts payable department. If your leg is swelling up and turning blue or you feel that elephant sitting on your chest, you have to tell them right then and there whether or not to go ahead.

If my buddy's treatment was only going to run $1500 or so I might have have staked him for it. He was in bad shape.

But not knowing whether it might hit $25K-$140K, we would need a come to Jesus meeting before putting my name on the line. He could at least give me a deed to his house or something.
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