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Old 12-13-2014, 12:12 PM
 
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CIA lied about torture, Senate report suggests

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WASHINGTON — When CIA interrogators were torturing accused Sept. 11
mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed at a secret prison in Poland in March 2003, a
top CIA analyst asked them to show him a photograph of an alleged terrorist
named Majid Khan.

The interrogators slapped Mohammed, denied him sleep,
rehydrated him through his rectum, threatened to kill his children and
waterboarded him 183 times. And he offered up details on Khan.

The analyst later told the CIA's inspector general that Mohammed's information
helped lead to Khan's arrest, CIA records show. The watchdog included that as a
success story in a 2004 report that became public and for many years stood as
the most detailed accounting of the program.

But the analyst, then deputy chief of the CIA's Osama bin Laden unit, knew Khan already had been captured in Pakistan at the time Mohammed was asked about him, according to the 520-page
Senate Intelligence Committee's report on CIA interrogations that was released
this past week.

In other words, what she told the inspector general
wasn't true.
Personally, I'd like to see the Senate release the entire CIA Torture Report so the whole world may know the full extent of the CIA's depravity.
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Old 12-13-2014, 12:23 PM
 
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what price did we pay to water board a few terrorists leaders to get intel in extreme situations to prevent another 9/11 and save american lives?.....if it saved American Lives then that what matters.


the rest of your questions is classified information and shouldn't be made public for political reasons.



and spying on other countries has been done by all countries for decades. That's why they call in INTELLIGENCE.
I don't care about the terrorists. They could feed them to sharks like Bin Laden, as long as they admit it.
Everything else should have clearly defined limits. There should not be blank check for all actions.
Otherwise we get organizations that own a country. They decide what is allowed and what not, what should be done, when and how. They have free hand in the name of keeping US safe.
I am sure those plummers at watergate in 1972 thought they are saving the US from socialism, when someone like McGovern could had become president.
Spying on the German Chancellor or Brasil's president is wrong and BAD for the US. Tapping and intercepting EVERY email and phone call is not acceptable by the vast majority of US citizens, regardless of political affiliation. This kind of free hand cannot exist in a democratic country with human rights like US pretends to be.
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Old 12-13-2014, 12:27 PM
 
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You keep listing things which US has done in our wars as if that somehow should justify torturing unarmed prosoners. Torture did not make them quit, it motivated them fight harder, and yet here you are calling for more torture.

PS Bombing civilians did not make Germany quit either, and we lerned from that mistake. Torture was a mistake too, but you do not seem to be able to learn from mistakes. You prefer to repeat them.



in this case we didn't used water boarding techniques to make them quit. The CIA used them in extreme situations on leaders to save American Lives and prevent another 9/11 that was in the works, so it worked!




PS: Bombing Germany and Japan and taking their will to continue fighting is what made Germany and Japan surrendered or you think they surrendered because we asked them nicely and gave them a fruit basket?
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Old 12-13-2014, 12:31 PM
 
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I don't care about the terrorists. They could feed them to sharks like Bin Laden, as long as they admit it.
Everything else should have clearly defined limits. There should not be blank check for all actions.
Otherwise we get organizations that own a country. They decide what is allowed and what not, what should be done, when and how. They have free hand in the name of keeping US safe.
I am sure those plummers at watergate in 1972 thought they are saving the US from socialism, when someone like McGovern could had become president.
Spying on the German Chancellor or Brasil's president is wrong and BAD for the US. Tapping and intercepting EVERY email and phone call is not acceptable by the vast majority of US citizens, regardless of political affiliation. This kind of free hand cannot exist in a democratic country with human rights like US pretends to be.


I don't think we have the man power to listen to all the phone calls and every email but I agree the program must be supervised.
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Old 12-13-2014, 01:22 PM
 
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I don't think we have the man power to listen to all the phone calls and every email but I agree the program must be supervised.
There are billions of emails and phone calls intercepted and recorded. It's done by supercomputers.
Is America OK with that? I find it hard to believe. Anyway, before snowden that didn't exist. Only after the revelation they had to admit and began questioned his character. The same with Diane Feinstein now, as if that's the point, not the factual truth.
The result of all the coverup and deception is that many on the globe believe Isis and consider it a more reliable source than the US.
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Old 12-13-2014, 01:34 PM
 
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Torture did not make them quit, it motivated them fight harder
Harder? Post your proof.
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Old 12-13-2014, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Harder? Post your proof.
Germans? How about you read a history book. They fought till the end and even kids and the elderly joined the fight. It didn't end until the whole country was occupied, with a million Russians in Berlin.

In Iraq, the the torture resulted in killing of Nick Berg, who was decapitated in response to US torture, and it also started a flood of foreign fighters in to the country.

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Old 12-13-2014, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Florida
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There are billions of emails and phone calls intercepted and recorded. It's done by supercomputers.
Is America OK with that? I find it hard to believe. Anyway, before snowden that didn't exist. Only after the revelation they had to admit and began questioned his character. The same with Diane Feinstein now, as if that's the point, not the factual truth.
The result of all the coverup and deception is that many on the globe believe Isis and consider it a more reliable source than the US.
You are talking to a person who is ok with everything, even torture.
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Old 12-13-2014, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Florida
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in this case we didn't used water boarding techniques to make them quit. The CIA used them in extreme situations on leaders to save American Lives and prevent another 9/11 that was in the wor. PS: Bombing Germany and Japan and taking their will to continue fighting is what made Germany and Japan surrendered or you think they surrendered because we asked them nicely and gave them a fruit basket?
Germany fougnt until they there was a million Russians in Berlin. Bombing civilians did nothing to end the war.

Since there has not been another 9/11, the facts prove torture is not needed.
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Old 12-13-2014, 02:04 PM
 
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