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Somebody in this thread have said, "Torture is always wrong no matter what."
Of course it is easy for them to say that because they don't have to die. If they knew their kids and family members had to die due to terrorist attack, their answer would change. No?
so if we stop water boarding a few terrorist leaders for intel to save American lives they would stop hating us and stop trying to destroy us and stop their ways? AMAZING!!!
Somebody in this thread have said, "Torture is always wrong no matter what."
Of course it is easy for them to say that because they don't have to die (They are not serving in the military or are currently working overseas) If they knew their kids and family members had to die due to terrorist attack, their answer would change. No?
We can be America or we can be like all of the terrorists we deride. We can't be both. Who do you want to be?
This is true, but we don't know if this program helped anyone, or didn't.
Those who could be implicated in the torturing mandate will say "we got actionable intelligence" those who were not directly involved will say that there was none gained.
I think we need all of the details to make an informed decision on how well torture worked. KSM was supposedly tortured so much he went on for days talking about a suitcase bomb that didn't exist.
I know if someone was beating the hell out of me, I'd likely tell them whatever they wanted to get them to stop.
The sad part is, we incarcerated a man for 4 years after he was cleared of wrong doing there. We tied a guy to the floor where he died of hypothermia.
There were some things that were over the line.
Enhanced interrogation techniques exist for a reason. Torture (or whatever you would like to call it) such as waterboarding has been around for centuries.
Saying torture does not work seems a little bit extreme.
We can be America or we can be like all of the terrorists we deride. We can't be both. Who do you want to be?
really? if the terrorists we are fighting all they are doing is water boarding a few military leaders and kept them alive and well fed and give them medical and dental care, we wouldn't be in this war.
you think we are fighting them because of water boarding?
We can be America or we can be like all of the terrorists we deride. We can't be both. Who do you want to be?
Well, this is the second time you asked me a question which is hard to answer. And I am not a liar. I want a safe America, whatever it takes. (I think enhanced interrogation techniques exist for a reason. Some say torture does not help collect intelligence, period. I think this argument is extreme.
The question remains as to whether war is ever morally justified.
the purpose of a war is to DESTROY your enemy or make them quit.........liberals like to split hairs and get sentimental on their high moral horse.
if winning this war for my country and save American lives it takes water boarding a few terrorists leaders in extreme situations to get intel, so be it! ....you can't in 1 hand be ok killing them and every civilian around them with drones and having a moral fit and making a national crisis because they dunked in water a few terrorists leaders to get intel to save lives while keeping them alive, well fed and giving them medical and dental coverage while under our custody for life.
Enhanced interrogation techniques exist for a reason. Torture (or whatever you would like to call it) such as waterboarding has been around for centuries.
Saying torture does not work seems a little bit extreme.
So your criteria for an effective program, a good course of action, is it has existed for a long time. Well alright then. You're extremely conservative. Are you religious? Do you literally believe every thing in whatever religious text? Do you obey it to the letter? I mean it's existed for a long, long, LONG time. That's proof enough we should never change course.
Nothing new should ever exist. No policies or ideas should ever change.
I think we should just get over it. The whole of the debate is pointless posturing. We can only express opinions, not facts.
There is no way to prove or disprove the real worth of America’s experiment with waterboarding and coercive techniques. I think it is pretty safe to assume that enhanced interrogation like waterboarding isn’t coming back.
"Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, 548 U.S. 557 (2006), is a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that military commissions set up by the Bush administration to try detainees at Guantanamo Bay lack "the power to proceed because its structures and procedures violate both the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the four Geneva Conventions signed in 1949."[1] Specifically, the ruling says that Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions was violated.
We’ll probably never know the real value of coercive techniques. Surely some accurate information came from their use.
The only way we could have a rational assessment of the costs and benefits of enhanced interrogation techniques is with a complete declassification of all the interrogation reports, including the leads that coercive questioning produced. Of course this is mission impossible.
So your criteria for an effective program, a good course of action, is it has existed for a long time. Well alright then. You're extremely conservative. Are you religious? Do you literally believe every thing in whatever religious text? Do you obey it to the letter? I mean it's existed for a long, long, LONG time. That's proof enough we should never change course.
Nothing new should ever exist. No policies or ideas should ever change.
I don't think your questions worth answering because you assume too much.
So your criteria for an effective program, a good course of action, is it has existed for a long time. Well alright then.
I am sorry that I have offended you but I think you misunderstood me.
I believe enhanced interrogation techniques exist for a reason. To say torture never worked is extreme.
That is all I am saying, No more no less.
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