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Old 04-07-2014, 01:08 PM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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Until you can offer a substantial argument instead of name calling and sensational hyperbole fallacies than there is nothing left to discuss. Have a nice day!
Bye! [waves]
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Old 04-07-2014, 01:12 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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A Christian man politely refusing to photograph a gay wedding out of respect for his deeply held beliefs equates to black people being brutally attacked by a racist mob at a restaurant? Talk about stretching things a bit.

Your logic is weak. Your argument has no water. It is you who is not seeing the "big picture" due to your vision being clouded by your own agenda and bias. In all of these cases it has been a gay person requesting a VERY SPECIFIC type of service, such as a wedding cake or a wedding it's self. It has not been everyday services such as cupcakes or photographs of their dogs. They were not barred from such services, just the SPECIFIC requests to which were in violation of that businesses deeply held religious values, and it is their freedom to have such beliefs and to refuse to do something if it violates their values.

Don't tread on the religious freedoms of others.
Certainly it is a just parallel. The KKK did everything they did with the sincerest of Christian beliefs behind them. They considered a cross burning to be a deeply moving religious ceremony. They don't look so Christian in 2014, but they certainly did in must of the USA in the 1870's all the way into the 1950's.
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Old 04-07-2014, 01:18 PM
 
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Certainly it is a just parallel. The KKK did everything they did with the sincerest of Christian beliefs behind them. They considered a cross burning to be a deeply moving religious ceremony. They don't look so Christian in 2014, but they certainly did in must of the USA in the 1870's all the way into the 1950's.
No. The KKK were CRINOs, Christians in name only. They did not read or follow The Bible or it's teachings, and most Christians did not support them either. The KKK was a small militant group of Democrats who used the Governments of the South to push their agenda onto others against the will of the people (sound familiar?) via overturning of bills and public intimidation. The majority of Christians who were TRUE Christians were fighting for Civil Rights along with Martin Luther King Jr. and other Civil Rights leaders. The Civil Rights movement was born in The Church.
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Old 04-07-2014, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Lol at the gay army pretending that they have won something.

SCOTUS didn't decide anything. they just declined to hear the case, and that could be for any number of reasons, including a full schedule of cases that they deem more pressing at the moment.

This is not over.
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Old 04-07-2014, 01:34 PM
 
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Lol at the gay army pretending that they have won something.

SCOTUS didn't decide anything. they just declined to hear the case, and that could be for any number of reasons, including a full schedule of cases that they deem more pressing at the moment.

This is not over.
Well, it wasn't a legal defeat. That implies a victory, at least in New Mexico. Non-discrimination stands.
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Old 04-07-2014, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Well, it wasn't a legal defeat. That implies a victory, at least in New Mexico. Non-discrimination stands.
Wrong - discrimination against people of faith and prohibition against free exercise of religion stands.

This is a religious liberty issue.
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Old 04-07-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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I'm sure this lunch counter wasn't the only one in town. And goodness, the proprietor should have been allowed to say who he would serve, shouldn't he? Those militant black people should have just gone somewhere else and not be shoving their skin color in our faces.
A little reaching are we? If I was the happy couple I would not feel confident that this service would be carried out to my expectation. This is a case of "Show Boating" and pushing social justice!

Let's face all of us consumers pick and choose service to meet a need. To force a vender to do a job is not to one's best interest.
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Old 04-07-2014, 01:51 PM
 
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Lol at the gay army pretending that they have won something.

SCOTUS didn't decide anything. they just declined to hear the case, and that could be for any number of reasons, including a full schedule of cases that they deem more pressing at the moment.

This is not over.
Great point!!!
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Old 04-07-2014, 01:52 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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No. The KKK were CRINOs, Christians in name only. They did not read or follow The Bible or it's teachings, and most Christians did not support them either. The KKK was a small militant group of Democrats who used the Governments of the South to push their agenda onto others against the will of the people (sound familiar?) via overturning of bills and public intimidation. The majority of Christians who were TRUE Christians were fighting for Civil Rights along with Martin Luther King Jr. and other Civil Rights leaders. The Civil Rights movement was born in The Church.
The KKK had fallen to a shadow of itself by the time MLK was beginning his work. They may not have met your definition of a good Christian, but they thought they were. They weren't so small either. There were, at one time, several (five I believe) million members. I remember seeing a story on History Detectives about the KKK Recording of a hymn called "The Old Burning Cross."
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Old 04-07-2014, 01:52 PM
 
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A little reaching are we? If I was the happy couple I would not feel confident that this service would be carried out to my expectation. This is a case of "Show Boating" and pushing social justice!

Let's face all of us consumers pick and choose service to meet a need. To force a vender to do a job is not to one's best interest.
No, you're right. People who are being discriminated against should definitely go out of their way to make sure the bigots get to stay in their comfort zone.

For instance, they should definitely travel farther to an inconvenient location, for instance, or accept an inferior product compared to the one created by the bigot. You know, all in the name of good relations with bigots.
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