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Giving a couple of million people a lower cost by charging other people more and thus increasing theirs, wasnt the goal of ACA.
obama said it would cut the average families premium $2500
not 1% of the populations..
And any tax credit, has to be paid for through other taxes, you do know that, right?
Remember the main goal of the ACA. The federal govt will no longer be paying for the uninsured. You will need insurance. Now we as tax payers will no longer be charged the highest rates for coverage for those who could not pay or had no insurance. The cost of insurance will be coming down either with rebates or lower premiums. That is why even red states have taken the federal Medicaid expansion.
McConnell can't do much with Reid at the helm.
Now Boehner has listened to the Tea Party guys and gals put into congress in 2010 and put the brakes on the spending problem. We need Reid out of there and someone like Rand or Ted running the show, to fix it
You have missed some stuff in the last 4months or so.
Remember the main goal of the ACA. The federal govt will no longer be paying for the uninsured. You will need insurance. Now we as tax payers will no longer be charged the highest rates for coverage for those who could not pay or had no insurance. The cost of insurance will be coming down either with rebates or lower premiums. That is why even red states have taken the federal Medicaid expansion.
First the government wasnt paying for the uninsured, there was no magic pot that paid for peoples medical bills for those who didnt carry it.
Second, 30,000,000 will go without insurance, post ACA, so your babble that you need it, still is a lie.
and Third, we're STILL going to be paying the highest rates, nothing in ACA will reduce premiums, and again people will STILL go without.
NOTHING..
Do you even understand anything about ACA because it sure in hell doesnt sound like you do.
First the government wasnt paying for the uninsured, there was no magic pot that paid for peoples medical bills for those who didnt carry it.
Second, 30,000,000 will go without insurance, post ACA, so your babble that you need it, still is a lie.
and Third, we're STILL going to be paying the highest rates, nothing in ACA will reduce premiums, and again people will STILL go without.
NOTHING..
Do you even understand anything about ACA because it sure in hell doesnt sound like you do.
The great thing about this topic is it's all conjecture. check it out the federal govt was paying as well
as you and I through higher medical costs and the write offs created by the billing system . The saving involved will come in the form of all payments will be based on Medicare rates. Insurance pays based on the approved rates they set,we'll it turns out they are the same rates that Medicare pays. I think the figure you believe in is wrong, see Mass. And there percentage of insured. The ACA requires that 80percent of premiums go toward medical expenses, thus the need for rebates which will lower your overall cost of premiums. It seems that you misunderstand the ACA.
The great thing about this topic is it's all conjecture.
No, no its not.. its very fact based for those who are informed
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check it out the federal govt was paying as well
as you and I through higher medical costs and the write offs created by the billing system .
No, no they werent. The reinbursement rate for procedures are established well in advance and has nothing to do with the non payment of others.
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The saving involved will come in the form of all payments will be based on Medicare rates.
Insurance companies for the most part, already paid off these schedules and have for decades
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Insurance pays based on the approved rates they set,we'll it turns out they are the same rates that Medicare pays.
Yes I know, and has been for ages. The rates are established by procedure code, and zip code
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I think the figure you believe in is wrong,
The figures arent mine, they are CBO numbers, the very same CBO that Obama used to cite data to argue it makes sense to pass ACA..
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see Mass.And there percentage of insured.
ACA and Mass has very little in common. ACA is punishment based and taxpayer funded, Mass is incentive based using a carrot approach.
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The ACA requires that 80percent of premiums go toward medical expenses, thus the need for rebates which will lower your overall cost of premiums.
No, first off most insurance companies already spent a very high percentage towards medical expenses, in fact the profit margins are something like 4% on average, and second, if you are getting a rebate, it simply means you were overcharged through the year.
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It seems that you misunderstand the ACA.
Oh I very much understand ACA more than you believe. I'm one of the individuals who was in the court room during the Supreme Court hearings on the matter and have argued it was a tax since day one, even when Obama argued it wasnt.
I wondered why they stopped at 2008 so I went looking.
2008 15.4%
2007 15.3%
2006 15.8%
So it was on the decline already when the fallout hit with many being layed off and started going up in 2009.
The Census Bureau only has percentages up to 2012. Their 2013 report won't be out until September 2014.
Source is US Census Bureau Annual reports on poverty and insurance.
The Affordable Care Act will be another lesson for those paying attention that illustrates that conservatives really don't care about reality, or public policy outcomes.
Nobody who supports Ocare should display that chart.
It shows that the uninsured rate went up every quarter since Obama became prez, reached an all-time high last year, and is still higher than when he beat Bush in 2008. You're proud of that record ?
It shows that the uninsured rate went up every quarter since Obama became prez, reached an all-time high last year, and is still higher than when he beat Bush in 2008. You're proud of that record ?
I was going to say the same thing.
At first I was not sure if the OP was being facetious or not.... amazing.
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