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Even this article, which says the president is misleading with his women make 77 cents on the Dollar of what a man makes is a bit misleading in itself.
If you look at teacher incomes, it points out that female teachers make 91 cents to the dollar of male teachers. However, virtually all public schools have a UNION CONTRACT pay scale based on years worked and additional pay due to extra responsibilities (ie coaching) and extra education (ie a Masters in Education).
As a teacher, I will tell you right now, my school does have women earn a bit less on average than male teachers...but the school is NOT discriminating.
Men choose to coach more than women = $$$
Men choose to run other extracurricular activities more than women = $$$
Men are less likely to take a whole year off of teaching when a child is born = $$$
However, my school is not discriminating it is a very set base pay system. We have some women who coach, even some women who have coached boys' teams. But it is more likely to be men coaching by choice. It is hard to keep many of the middle school coaching positions filled and the school has to beg and near pressure teachers to coach and it is usually the male teachers that give in.
Is the pay gap between men and women in teaching from personal choices (albeit those choices could be influenced by society and biology) and not discrimination by the school?
When elections are far into the future, Obama and dems are padding pockets of the corporations and gang green, when elections get closer they do things like this to try to rile their base. It won't work.
What I've noticed is that the statistics comparing male and female earnings are an average of all income. What I need to see is this income broken down into categories. Saying a woman makes 77 cents on the dollar compared to a man, doesn't tell me if this holds true among each profession/occupation individually. I'm not claiming the statistics are inaccurate; I'd like to see more detail before coming to a conclusion.
When elections are far into the future, Obama and dems are padding pockets of the corporations and gang green, when elections get closer they do things like this to try to rile their base. It won't work.
This is true of both parties, along the entire spectrum of issues.
What I've noticed is that the statistics comparing male and female earnings are an average of all income. What I need to see is this income broken down into categories. Saying a woman makes 77 cents on the dollar compared to a man, doesn't tell me if this holds true among each profession/occupation individually. I'm not claiming the statistics are inaccurate; I'd like to see more detail before coming to a conclusion.
Umm, look at the article...it does do that a bit - for example - in my post it claims that female teachers make 91% of what male teachers make.
I am straight up saying that roughly happens at my school where I teach and the school is NOT discriminating based on gender pay.
The devil, she is in the details. There is a saying where I was born and raised, "When you can't brag on your own, find something else to talk about." Guess the economy, Obamacare and the rest of the Obama administration's accomplishments are not 'cute' enough on which to brag.
All intended for the 2014 mid-terms;a distraction.
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I agree very much with this article about the pay disparity in nursing. http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-e...221330791.html
**Even among men and women in the same nursing occupations, men outearn women. Women working full time, year-round earn 93 cents for every dollar men take earn as registered nurses, 89 cents to the dollar among nurse anesthetists, 87 cents to the dollar among nurse practitioners, and 91 cents among licensed vocational nurses, according to the study.**
And the funny thing is, in these newsletters I get from the nursing board, men are more likely than women to do things that cause them to lose their licenses, e.g. steal narcotics, be alcoholics, etc.
Yes, there's definitely a cultural thing going on with wages, at least in nursing.
Okay, it is misleading using averages...and the proof is a single job type. That's the problem with averaging to get a simple number, it's basic math. On theother side people make lower than 77% in order to offset that 91% of what men make, so you are excluding those who make even less.
You are doing the same as well in excluding different types of teachers in different locations. In New York a high school teacher will earn a different gap than a middle school teacher in Denver that will earn a different gap than an elementary school teacher in Boise. That's the nature of the average formula...and as a teacher you should know this.
It doesn't change the facts that women on average earn less. Even though on average a woman is more educated and do the same work. If the only argument is that women spend time with their children to pay women less, even those who do not have children or where the spouse takes care of them, that's not an acceptible argument...because it's not about what a person does, it is only about their gender.
I could get the same amount even if I was a single father, while the person next to me would get less even though she has no plans of having kids.
My daughter has a degree and five years of experience in her field.
She was hired about a year ago at the company she now works for.
Recently, the company hired two males, both with two years of experience.
My daughter and these two males do the same work.
These two males are already making $5-10k more a year than my daughter.
The company wants my daughter (and all employees) to sign a form called 'Gender Equity', wherein she has to agree that there is no difference in pay between men and women.
She has yet to sign it...
Just wanted to add that she is a grade above these two guys, also.
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