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Old 04-11-2014, 09:18 AM
 
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The Obama administration is hungry for cash…check out this mess. Someone, who won’t take personal responsibility of course, slipped a sucker punch into the farm bill lifting the 10-year statute of limitations on old debts to the government, permitting the IRS to use its coercive power to intimidate innocent people.

From the WaPo - "Across the nation, hundreds of thousands of taxpayers who are expecting refunds this month are instead getting letters like the one Grice got, informing them that because of a debt they never knew about — often a debt incurred by their parents — the government has confiscated their check." Social Security, Treasury target taxpayers for their parents’ decades-old debts - The Washington Post
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Old 04-11-2014, 03:51 PM
 
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I believe this is a dup thread.
They can do whatever they want, as long as they are allowed. People should pay very close attention to these kind of behaviors.
Why do business with such an entity?
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The only explanation the government provides for suddenly going after decades-old debts comes from Social Security spokeswoman Dorothy Clark: “We have an obligation to current and future Social Security beneficiaries to attempt to recoup money that people received when it was not due.”
Since the drive to collect on very old debts began in 2011, the Treasury Department has collected $424 million in debts that were more than 10 years old. Those debts were owed to many federal agencies, but the one that has many Americans howling this tax season is the Social Security Administration, which has found 400,000 taxpayers who collectively owe $714 million on debts more than 10 years old. The agency expects to have begun proceedings against all of those people by this summer.
“It was a shock,” said Grice, 58. “What incenses me is the way they went about this. They gave me no notice, they can’t prove that I received any overpayment, and they use intimidation tactics, threatening to report this to the credit bureaus.”
Grice filed suit against the Social Security Administration in federal court in Greenbelt this week, alleging that the government violated her right to due process by holding her responsible for a $2,996 debt supposedly incurred under her father’s Social Security number.
Social Security officials told Grice that six people — Grice, her four siblings and her father’s first wife, whom she never knew — had received benefits under her father’s account. The government doesn’t look into exactly who got the overpayment; the policy is to seek compensation from the oldest sibling and work down through the family until the debt is paid.
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Social Security officials told her they had sent their notice to her post office box in Roxboro, N.C. Grice rented that box from 1977 to 1979 and never since. And Social Security has Grice’s current address: Every year, it sends her a statement about her benefits.

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Old 04-11-2014, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Credit card companies have been doing this for years and years. They actually harass relatives of debtors.

Apparently the government is trying to reduce the deficit by going after deadbeats. Are you against this? Do you think the government should give amnesty to debtors?
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Old 04-11-2014, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Credit card companies have been doing this for years and years. They actually harass relatives of debtors.

Apparently the government is trying to reduce the deficit by going after deadbeats. Are you against this? Do you think the government should give amnesty to debtors?
apparently the government is going after relatives of dead deadbeats trying to collect debt they are not responsible for.

There is a difference there my friend.

It would like your brother scamming the IRS for years getting back bogus refunds and then dying and the IRS comes after you, his sibling, to pay that debt off.
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Old 04-11-2014, 04:35 PM
 
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The catholic church did this during crusades. They stole much wealth and even went as far as exhuming dead bodies. History repeats.
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Old 04-11-2014, 04:41 PM
 
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Credit card companies have been doing this for years and years. They actually harass relatives of debtors.
Wrong, not even the same thing
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Apparently the government is trying to reduce the deficit by going after deadbeats. Are you against this? Do you think the government should give amnesty to debtors?
You couldnt be further off the mark. Parents may or may not be deadbeats, but thats got nothing to do with the children.

Someone needs to inform the state department of the statue of limitations
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Old 04-11-2014, 04:43 PM
 
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Credit card companies have been doing this for years and years. They actually harass relatives of debtors.

Apparently the government is trying to reduce the deficit by going after deadbeats. Are you against this? Do you think the government should give amnesty to debtors?
No bigger corrupt deadbeat than the government, of course you want it to steal even more to fund your selfish pet projects ( or your own bank account)
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Old 04-11-2014, 04:53 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Yep. Obama's federal government is hurting for money. And people don't believe me that such is why Obama's policies have pumped up the income of the top 1%, the highest federal income tax rate payers, while sacrificing more and more of the middle class dropping them down to the SNAP and Medicaid rolls.
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Old 04-11-2014, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Credit card companies have been doing this for years and years. They actually harass relatives of debtors.

Apparently the government is trying to reduce the deficit by going after deadbeats. Are you against this? Do you think the government should give amnesty to debtors?

The difference is, by law third party collections has to follow legal statute. If your grandpa died 5 years ago and some 8.00 an hr desk jockey/collector starts pursuing you by phone and mail, it is harassment, and illegal.

Credit card companies are bottom feeders. It doesn't mean they are in the right.

Ted Cruz wants to privatize the SSA via Wall St-his wifey is a GOLDMAN Sachs VP. So that is why we are seeing threads on this now, imo.

More disinfo and smear.
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Old 04-11-2014, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Credit card companies have been doing this for years and years. They actually harass relatives of debtors.

Apparently the government is trying to reduce the deficit by going after deadbeats. Are you against this? Do you think the government should give amnesty to debtors?
Does it matter if the "deadbeats" are dead?
I can't believe someone can be held responsible for
somebody else's debt. How can they do that?!?
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