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Like the one being tossed about in Seattle, where it would go from the State's (9.30 an hour) to 15 per hour.
Even 15 an hour would still not be that good anywhere 10 miles or less from Downtown Seattle, but every little bit helps.
My fear is not the BS argument that jobs would be lost. It's greedy landlords taking advantage of higher pay from workers and making any raise, or increased salaries (like what's happening in Western ND where the wages have been raised, but not by state law) a wash.
In a totally free enterprise system, there doesn't seem to be any way to stop landlords from raising rents. Unless you have rent control. It's just pure greed. I'm sure a landlord lived comfortably, on whatever income they may have got, from when most of his tenants wages were X amount of dollars. Now that their income has increased (hypothetically) by 25-35%, the landlord wants that money so he can buy a new boat or something.
Minimum wage laws only work, when property owners are willing to cooperate. If they're not and there's no legal way to stop them, the thing they're trying to do in Seattle, if it passed, will make Seattle into another San Francisco. Even their min wage of $12 per hour, isn't **** there. Should be more like 20 there.
raising the min wage helps no-one..but hurts many
who employes most americans.....small business
small business have a very small profit ratio
thousands of small businesses are facing situations like this:
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here is an example of what will happen with this 'raising'
minimum wage is for UNSKILLED currently at 7.20
I pay my UNSKILLED laborers (that clean the shop) over $9 an hour, the min wage is $7.2
an example:
I run a maintenance shop
I have a shop foreman...$24/hr
I have 3 mechanics.......$22/hr
I have a parts manager...$22/hr
I have 2 mechanic helpers...$14
I have 2 parts workers/drivers...$12
I have 2 labors (to clear the shop)....$9 (2 over min)
minimum wage is $7.2
the 'government' raises the minimum wage to 15
now I HAVE to increase the laborers wage to AT LEAST 15.. and he will WANT $17 (2 over min)....but If I give the "unskilled" laborer $17 then the driver (must maintain a clean license) will want more (hey boss, I was making $3 more than the unskilled guy) ...as so on, and so on...
either that or you will make what was 'above' min wage skilled worker to being min wage workers
thus RAISING THE COSTS of my SERVICE that I provide to the society.....
I would to raise salaries on mech helpers, drivers, and laborers...not to mention the actual SKILLED workers....meanwhile the business will end up failing, because it not is too costly to stay in business
so either costs will go up....or people will get laid-off......because as a small shop owner I cant afford to give any more than I am giving
A fast-food manager is talking to his crew, a dozen people standing around him. He says, "I've got good news, and I've got bad news."
"The good news is, the new Minimum Wage law says I have to pay you more.
"The bad news is, I can't afford that, so two of you are fired."
Maybe you should be asking the manager why the business is not prospering enough to pay your employee more. Manager many times are the most overpaid person in fast food when most of what they do is stand around and tell people what to do. If a business can not pay their employees more it usually because of two things they are running a business badly or they are greedy.
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It's amazing that a few liberals still believe that the purpose of a business is to "provide viable livings" for its employees, rather than creating products or services to make a profit.
And incredibly, they even believe it's a role of government to force businesses to do the former instead of the latter, and then leave the business to pick up the pieces as best they can.
In Western ND, no government dictated minimum wages of usually 16 dollars per hour and they have an unemployment rate of 2%. The said things is, the landlords messed that up by tripling rents. The employers had to do that to keep up with demand of workers, so it's not always government.
Maybe you should be asking the manager why the business is not prospering enough to pay your employee more. Manager many times are the most overpaid person in fast food when most of what they do is stand around and tell people what to do. If a business can not pay their employees more it usually because of two things they are running a business badly or they are greedy.
A. You apparently don't know anyone who manages a fast food restaurant.
B. You apparently never go into fast food restaurants.
While it's been quite a few years since I did the middle management thing, your statement is full of misinformation and, quite frankly, downright lies. Fast food managers work harder than any of their employees, are expected to be available at all hours of the day or night in order to deal with problems, and aren't paid nearly enough for the work that they do. A fast food manager has to be able to do any task that is needed in the restaurant, from flipping burgers to running the register to cleaning the bathrooms. On top of this, they are required to make the weekly schedule for the employees (which should be worth $20k a year just for dealing with the whiny ones that "can only work on Tuesday and Thursday" but don't understand why they aren't making decent money). They also have to account for inventory, cash on hand, bank deposits, maintenance, deliveries, and just about everything else in the restaurant. And they are expected to do this for an average salary of $30k to $40k a year.
A. You apparently don't know anyone who manages a fast food restaurant.
B. You apparently never go into fast food restaurants.
While it's been quite a few years since I did the middle management thing, your statement is full of misinformation and, quite frankly, downright lies. Fast food managers work harder than any of their employees, are expected to be available at all hours of the day or night in order to deal with problems, and aren't paid nearly enough for the work that they do. A fast food manager has to be able to do any task that is needed in the restaurant, from flipping burgers to running the register to cleaning the bathrooms. On top of this, they are required to make the weekly schedule for the employees (which should be worth $20k a year just for dealing with the whiny ones that "can only work on Tuesday and Thursday" but don't understand why they aren't making decent money). They also have to account for inventory, cash on hand, bank deposits, maintenance, deliveries, and just about everything else in the restaurant. And they are expected to do this for an average salary of $30k to $40k a year.
Have you even worked at a restaurant? Managers at fast food do not have to be their day and night they work 1 shift which may be up to 12 hours but that is not day and night. Maybe a manager may have many things they can do but they mainly ask their employees to do it. If there is a mess in the bathroom rarely will the manager do it. I am not saying they do nothing but many times they sit in their office while their employees are working hard. From all the places I have worked I have found the managers do a lot less then employees. Many fast food restaurants have multiple managers so they may not have to do all the things you listed. Only one manager needs to do scheduling and they can take turns the same with bank deposits, maintenance, deliveries and other things.
Okay you did not even rebuttal what I wrote you just said you did not agree with it. You should be banned because you are probably a troll.
There's nothing to rebuke; your "argument" wasn't an argument.
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Have you even worked at a restaurant? Managers at fast food do not have to be their day and night they work 1 shift which may be up to 12 hours but that is not day and night. Maybe a manager may have many things they can do but they mainly ask their employees to do it. If there is a mess in the bathroom rarely will the manager do it. I am not saying they do nothing but many times they sit in their office while their employees are working hard. From all the places I have worked I have found the managers do a lot less then employees. Many fast food restaurants have multiple managers so they may not have to do all the things you listed. Only one manager needs to do scheduling and they can take turns the same with bank deposits, maintenance, deliveries and other things.
So, is it safe to assume that you are a fast food worker? That would explain your animosity toward the management...
Have you even worked at a restaurant? Managers at fast food do not have to be their day and night they work 1 shift which may be up to 12 hours but that is not day and night. Maybe a manager may have many things they can do but they mainly ask their employees to do it. If there is a mess in the bathroom rarely will the manager do it. I am not saying they do nothing but many times they sit in their office while their employees are working hard. From all the places I have worked I have found the managers do a lot less then employees. Many fast food restaurants have multiple managers so they may not have to do all the things you listed. Only one manager needs to do scheduling and they can take turns the same with bank deposits, maintenance, deliveries and other things.
Yes, I used to manage fast food restaurants. While there are assistant managers, there is only one manager and he/she is the one responsible for everything that goes on. And yes, the manager is on call at all hours, and a good manager is expected to do anything their employees do.
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