Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 04-13-2014, 06:09 PM
 
69,368 posts, read 64,108,083 times
Reputation: 9383

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by urbanlife78 View Post
Why would anyone want to do that? Making sure cities have alternative transportation rather than areas be solely car dependent isn't the same thing as wanting concentration camps.
Tell me how raising taxes makes things more affordable..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-13-2014, 06:13 PM
 
79,907 posts, read 44,199,011 times
Reputation: 17209
Quote:
Originally Posted by urbanlife78 View Post
Why would anyone want to do that? Making sure cities have alternative transportation rather than areas be solely car dependent isn't the same thing as wanting concentration camps.
Cities have alternative transportation. What city of a size that could support it doesn't?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-13-2014, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Wyoming
9,724 posts, read 21,235,515 times
Reputation: 14823
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iamme73 View Post
That is because crude oil prices are based on a world wide market.

I work in an oil refinery, we buy crude oil in the market, the cost of crude oil world wide impacts the costs we pay. There is no escaping this.

This is going on with the shale/fracking boom occurring in this nation that has extracted more crude oil and still despite that crude oil boom the price of gasoline has not come down.

It destroys the lie of drill baby drill as a way to lower gasoline prices, but conservatives never seem to learn much.

You'd think conservatives who are paying attention and thinking would notice this crude oil boom from shale and yet prices have not dropped, maybe just maybe drill baby drill doesn't actually mean anything in terms of the price of gasoline? But no reality is irrelevant to conservatives, policy outcomes are irrelevant to conservatives.

It is all based on an incredibly simplistic narrative that ignores facts and reality.

Domestic drilling helps stabilize the price a little, but the main things it does is strengthen the dollar, provide good paying jobs to millions of people, and provide tax income to the U.S. As you pointed out, your refinery is going to buy crude from somewhere; it's much better for Americans it comes from America, where it's produced by American workers who spend their income right here at home rather that being on the dole to barely survive.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-13-2014, 06:14 PM
 
79,907 posts, read 44,199,011 times
Reputation: 17209
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iamme73 View Post
That is because crude oil prices are based on a world wide market.

I work in an oil refinery, we buy crude oil in the market, the cost of crude oil world wide impacts the costs we pay. There is no escaping this.
Goldman Sachs doesn't use a single drop of crude oil. Investment banks use none.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-13-2014, 06:22 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
11,345 posts, read 16,705,526 times
Reputation: 13370
When Bush was President gas was $3.49 and the media was crying foul, with Obama as President gas is $3.49 and all is well with the world.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-13-2014, 06:29 PM
 
24,832 posts, read 37,344,316 times
Reputation: 11538
Quote:
Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
Goldman Sachs doesn't use a single drop of crude oil. Investment banks use none.
Sure they do.

Crude oil is the base for millions of products.....including office supplies....that somehow get to the office.....
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-13-2014, 06:37 PM
 
79,907 posts, read 44,199,011 times
Reputation: 17209
Quote:
Originally Posted by Driller1 View Post
Sure they do.

Crude oil is the base for millions of products.....including office supplies....that somehow get to the office.....
They have no crude oil in any of their offices.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-13-2014, 06:38 PM
 
12,265 posts, read 6,472,102 times
Reputation: 9435
We`re getting off easy.
Highest Gas Prices: Countries - Bloomberg Best (and Worst)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-13-2014, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Barrington
63,919 posts, read 46,738,058 times
Reputation: 20674
Quote:
Originally Posted by desertdetroiter View Post
And i don't give a damn what anyone says...oil IS NOT priced according to supply and demand! I know people that are steeped in this oil stuff and even they can't explain the disconnect between barrel price and pump price.
OPEC does not want prices too high because that creates too much interest in alternative sources of energy, so they increase the supply which should, in theory, keep prices in check.

The price of oil is driven by much more than supply and demand. This was proven in 2008. Due to the global recession, global demand was down and global supply was at an all time high and yet gas prices rose by about 25%. Both McCain and Obama blamed it on the usual right and left talking points as politians do, when they don't know cause and effect and their respective target audiences tend to believe whatever MSNBC and Fox feed them. And no surprise, both camps missed the boat as they are prone to do.

What really happened was that Wall Street started pushing a new gaming table, commodities index investing, betting on something people can't do without.

Global speculators/ investors were exiting the housing, stock and credit markets and diverted funds to oil futures which created an asset bubble. The bubble spread to other commodities and drove up global food prices, too.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-13-2014, 07:00 PM
 
79,907 posts, read 44,199,011 times
Reputation: 17209
Quote:
Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
OPEC does not want prices too high because that creates too much interest in alternative sources of energy, so they increase the supply which should, in theory, keep prices in check.
But in reality doesn't when the markets get flooded with money.

Quote:
The price of oil is driven by much more than supply and demand. This was proven in 2008. Due to the global recession, global demand was down and global supply was at an all time high and yet gas prices rose by about 25%. Both McCain and Obama blamed it on the usual right and left talking points as politians do, when they don't know cause and effect and their respective target audiences tend to believe whatever MSNBC and Fox feed them. And no surprise, both camps missed the boat as they are prone to do.

What really happened was that Wall Street started pushing a new gaming table, commodities index investing, betting on something people can't do without.

Global speculators/ investors were exiting the housing, stock and credit markets and diverted funds to oil futures which created an asset bubble. The bubble spread to other commodities and drove up global food prices, too.
Yes, but it started before 2008.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:10 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top