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Old 04-14-2014, 03:03 PM
 
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Your FIL and other war veterans who saved memorabilia didn't work in the White House; and many of them were reluctant to show it off in their home. Kind of a bottom drawer thing or a locked safe deal.

They may not set policy, but with Mr. Carney's position in the White House, it is extremely poor taste to display these posters in any room of his home during his tenure there. He'll just shrug it off with his cocky one-sided smile and that will be the end of it. Who knows, maybe he thrives on a warped sense of 'publicity'.
I agree with you there, but then who are any of us to tell Carney where he can put his memorabilia. They may be conversation pieces, and nothing more. But for goodness sakes, if you are working as the spokesman for our president, take them down during a photo shoot that will go public.
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:04 PM
 
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Your FIL and other war veterans who saved memorabilia didn't work in the White House; and many of them were reluctant to show it off in their home. Kind of a bottom drawer thing or a locked safe deal.

They may not set policy, but with Mr. Carney's position in the White House, it is extremely poor taste to display these posters in any room of his home during his tenure there. He'll just shrug it off with his cocky one-sided smile and that will be the end of it. Who knows, maybe he thrives on a warped sense of 'publicity'.
What does it matter where he works? Is the WHite House some sort of special palce in which people are to give up hobbies and collections? Is that in the requirements? If it is, then that is an issue between him and his boss.

And not at all are things "kind of a bottom drawer thing", many people display items as the prime display in their living room, ranging from a made dysfunctional Nazi pistol, to a WW2 Japanese flag in a case, to coins being displayed. This is not anything unique, many people do this.
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:06 PM
 
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What the heck does his position have to do with his interest in collecting historical items?
Collecting historical items is one thing.

Using a democide-committing government's propaganda to decorate one's home while one is the White House's Press Secretary, and publicizing that fact in print is quite another.
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:07 PM
 
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What's genocidal about the following:



Most people would find that offensive even though it has nothing to do with the genocide Hitler committed, a genocide that pales significantly in comparison to the number killed off in the Stalin-era democide.


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Who would find it offensive if displayed in a historical context? Do people go to the Smithsonian or USMC mesuem and get offended at the Nazi items displayed there? The Smithsonian aviation museum where it shows a Nazi fighter in proud display?

People seem to be confusing displaying as advocating, and displaying for history; museums are not the only entities with an interest in displaying history.
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:08 PM
 
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What's genocidal about the following:



Most people would find that offensive even though it has nothing to do with the genocide Hitler committed, a genocide that pales significantly in comparison to the number killed off in the Stalin-era democide.


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While I appreciate the introduction of Hitler propaganda, it is just avoidance of the question. YOUR Hitler propaganda actually portrays Hitler.

The Carney posters don't portray Stalin. They don't portray a Stalin message. The army recruitment doesn't reference communism or Stalin. The Russian version of Rosie the Riveter doesn't either. What's the Stalin message that you find so offensive? Please respond to my question.
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:08 PM
 
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Who would find it offensive if displayed in a historical context?
Carney's kitchen is historical context? How so?
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:09 PM
 
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I agree with you there, but then who are any of us to tell Carney where he can put his memorabilia. They may be conversation pieces, and nothing more. But for goodness sakes, if you are working as the spokesman for our president, take them down during a photo shoot that will go public.
Why?

Is it the fact that they are in Russian that you find offensive?
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:10 PM
 
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Why?

Is it the fact that they are in Russian that you find offensive?
It's the fact that they are the published propaganda of a regime that murdered 20 million of its own citizens that is offensive.
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:12 PM
 
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Collecting historical items is one thing.

Using a democide-committing government's propaganda to decorate one's home while one is the White House's Press Secretary, and publicizing that fact in print is quite another.
Decorated as I stated, to make the home a bit museum like, nothing unusual about it. Many people display items like this, they go to trade shows and get them, or passed down from different relatives, or acquired them them self.

The military has more than a few people who collect war items from different ears, mostly from WW2 because it is the most popular and has the most numerous items available. I do not think USMC Joe is a Nazi because he has a Nazi piece displayed he got from his relative, nor do I think the PhD in SE Asian affairs is a Pol Pot supporter when he has peices displayed from that era in Cambodia. Nor do I think many military members are Sadaam Hussein supporters because they obtained and display items from Iraq.
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:12 PM
 
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It's the fact that they are the published propaganda of a regime that murdered 20 million of its own citizens that is offensive.
I find it offensive that you want to censor what an American citizen hangs in his home.

You want to oppress his rights. Which is no better than a Stalinist or a Nazi or a Fascist censoring and banning. Let us know when you're OK with someone telling you what you should have displayed in your basement.
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