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Old 04-15-2014, 07:29 AM
 
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You want a definition of redneck in this case? The less educated, rural white poor and lower middle class.
They heavily vote Republican, and the party courts them as "the base" despite doing nothing that would possibly be to their advantage. They do so by making up scary stories about the Democrats taking their guns away, or planting stories about the president being a Kenyan Muslim with a fake birth certificate (or about McCain having a "black daughter" back in 2000). They pander to the less educated (and uber-religious) for votes because they know they'll believe whatever lies people like Michelle Bachman spout, even when they're easily refuted, while primarily being a party that benefits the extremely wealthy and doesn't really care at all about the "base."

A big reason millenials are turning their backs on the GOP in droves is that they're more educated than previous generations, and the more educated you are, the less likely you are to believe much of what the GOP is selling.
So-called rednecks are not the base of the GOP. That's just an expression that the left uses to demonize the right as all stupid, backward hicks and that simply isn't true. That's why the left disgusts me so much. It is only the fringe element that make up wild stories on the right but the left uses them to stereotype the entire right. Speaking of lies your post reeks of them.

No, the reason that millenials aren't voting for the GOP is because they have been brainwashed by the left and they have been brought up with this new progressive mindset where anything goes.
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Old 04-15-2014, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Centre Wellington, ON
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I would agree that Asians are often socially conservative and fiscally conservative. Hispanics and blacks I think are more likely to be fiscally liberal but I don't think they're more likely to be socially liberal. As for age, maybe Gen X is the most conservative? Although I'd say the boomers aren't all liberal, those that studied the arts in college probably are, but how about those that went into science/engineering? Or those that were more blue collar? For the Millenials, I'd say my university classmates in science/engineering fields are pretty close to 50/50 liberal vs conservative.
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Old 04-15-2014, 07:51 AM
 
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To gain Latino support, the most important is immigration. You can not sound even slightly hostile to immigrants or the people of color. Or you will be voted out. The GOP has always been complicit on open borders. They have no problem with businesses hiring undocumented immigrants because they are in the pockets. Business is the heart of the Republican Party. Immigration reform was championed by Marco Rubio.

It is not socialism. They do no have to turn into democrats. The labor unions are very hostile to immigrants. They just don't want to talk like that because they would be considered racist. The democrats, particularly the white liberal intelligentsia, are deeply racist and classist to its core. But they are able to create a perception of anti racism because they talk the talk. Do he republicans talk like that?

Potential supporters are not just minorities. Lots of democratic supporters are so because of the lack of a better choice. Some go for the libertarians. But make no mistake, plenty of them are fiscally conservative. They just can't stand homophobia and all these social conservative ideas. They turn people off. The republicans pushed lots of people to the other side. Are these people really all that willing to pay more tax? See more social programs? Not necessarily. Are they all environmentalists? I doubt it. They want a party that is sane, forward looking, without ideas that are obsolete.

But, what's interesting is that social conservative ideas may actually re-live. The growing population are quite religious. Many new comers have a traditional lifestyle that makes the 1950s too rebellious. As their population grows, the Republican Party may find allies there for social conservatism. These people just won't buy into the intellectual atheist snotty attitude. We might actually see things go back to the future so to speak. And that, my friend, is the demographic destiny. So even millennials aren't always so called urban, agnostic, liberal, etc. I think that still describes mostly white middle class millennials. I have met liberal Asian Americans. I have met strong Asian supporters of concealed carry. I have met very entrepreneurial Latinos. Traditional Christian white millennials. A growing number of libertarian millennials. Male centered family structure in many ethnic groups. Hostility to taxation from ethnic communities. Red necks acting like union supporters without knowing it. Union supporters acting like red necks without knowing it.

When diversity finally diversifies, Americans will be shocked by what it looks like.

In the next few decades, white middle class Americans will gradually split into the well to do and the working class. When things get rough enough, people fight one another. Today people want a better future for everyone and there is still patience. But when things go worse, ethnic tensions will rise. Sure, people hate the rich. But I doubt they will be compassionate toward their surplus labor competitors. They will be jealous. They will fight. The poor can always be divided. Human nature.
Where has the GOP been hostile towards "immigrants" or so-called people of color? They embrace legal immigration but oppose illegal immigration and rightly so! So what you are saying is that the GOP has to thumb their noses at our immigration laws in order to be in the good graces of Hispanics? What does that say about Hispanics as a group then?

Those who hire illegal aliens are both Republicans and Democrats. It isn't just a Republican thing and those who hire them do not make up the majority of Americans.

Your full of it that most on the right are racists. I am sick to death of those lies!

The growing population is becoming less religious not more religious. They are pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-illegal immigration, etc. You have everything backwards.

It won't be diversity you will see in the future but a country dominated by Hispanics via illegal immigration that has no respect for our laws. Is that what you want? That's not diversity.

I suggest you get off your redneck kick also. IMO, it is a thinly veiled attempt to hide your contempt for white, conservative Americans most of whom aren't rednecks at all.
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Old 04-15-2014, 09:04 AM
 
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Where has the GOP been hostile towards "immigrants" or so-called people of color? They embrace legal immigration but oppose illegal immigration and rightly so! So what you are saying is that the GOP has to thumb their noses at our immigration laws in order to be in the good graces of Hispanics? What does that say about Hispanics as a group then?

Those who hire illegal aliens are both Republicans and Democrats. It isn't just a Republican thing and those who hire them do not make up the majority of Americans.

Your full of it that most on the right are racists. I am sick to death of those lies!

The growing population is becoming less religious not more religious. They are pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-illegal immigration, etc. You have everything backwards.

It won't be diversity you will see in the future but a country dominated by Hispanics via illegal immigration that has no respect for our laws. Is that what you want? That's not diversity.

I suggest you get off your redneck kick also. IMO, it is a thinly veiled attempt to hide your contempt for white, conservative Americans most of whom aren't rednecks at all.
Whether most conservatives are racists is a tricky thing to generalize. But the prominent voice coming out of the Republican Party has much racist attitude. Lots of democrats are also racists. They are just more subtle. I'm not just blaming people like you. I don't know if the growing population are less religious. Many groups are highly religious.

What's going on is that many of these groups haven't participated in certain issues because those are not that relevant to their interests. They are new comers focused on getting success. They don't care much about the gay rights debate for example. Many issues are dominated by white liberal voices. People just can't see the internal diversity within minorities. Yet as their population grow, you will see that in the future. America will no longer be able to ignore it. Diversity is nothing like the dichotomy of liberals and conservatives. What "diversity" ultimately means is what it is. Variety. Differences. And it is a neutral word, not the warm and fuzzy thing liberals have made it to be. Many liberals won't like true diversity.
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Old 04-15-2014, 11:58 AM
 
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This is a very interesting article.

Working class voters: why America's poor are willing to vote Republican | World news | theguardian.com
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:58 PM
 
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Whether most conservatives are racists is a tricky thing to generalize. But the prominent voice coming out of the Republican Party has much racist attitude. Lots of democrats are also racists. They are just more subtle. I'm not just blaming people like you. I don't know if the growing population are less religious. Many groups are highly religious.

What's going on is that many of these groups haven't participated in certain issues because those are not that relevant to their interests. They are new comers focused on getting success. They don't care much about the gay rights debate for example. Many issues are dominated by white liberal voices. People just can't see the internal diversity within minorities. Yet as their population grow, you will see that in the future. America will no longer be able to ignore it. Diversity is nothing like the dichotomy of liberals and conservatives. What "diversity" ultimately means is what it is. Variety. Differences. And it is a neutral word, not the warm and fuzzy thing liberals have made it to be. Many liberals won't like true diversity.
Describe this prominent voice coming out of the GOP that indicates racism. Give some examples and not just coming from the fringe element either. I have nothing but contempt for white liberals and all liberals and I am a white baby boomer. You still didn't answer my question as to how the GOP can reach Hispanics. Me thinks the nasty truth is too painful to admit. A takeover by Hispanics via illegal immigration is not diversity.
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Old 04-15-2014, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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So-called rednecks are not the base of the GOP. That's just an expression that the left uses to demonize the right as all stupid, backward hicks and that simply isn't true. That's why the left disgusts me so much. It is only the fringe element that make up wild stories on the right but the left uses them to stereotype the entire right. Speaking of lies your post reeks of them.

No, the reason that millenials aren't voting for the GOP is because they have been brainwashed by the left and they have been brought up with this new progressive mindset where anything goes.
The base of the GOP are comprised of the following (in no particular order):

1: 45-65 year old upper-middle, and upper class white males - Usually voracious FoxNews watchers

2. White religious people. Mostly White Protestants and a fair amount of White Catholics

3. Rednecks - Guns, Bibles, and 'Murica - Their bosses are usually in Group #1. Typically not intelligent enough for critical thinking skills - repeat what they hear from people in Group #1. Because... 'Murica!!! The good news is, they're not all white, they do have red necks. Or is that just a metaphor?

So, let's see... We've got white folks, white folks, and white folks... That's quite the diverse voting group we have there. What's missing from the equation? A huge chunk of women because of the whole "We Republicans control women's bodies..." thing. The exceptions to this rule are white religious women in group #2.

Pretty much all of the minorities to include Latinos, African-Americans, Asians, LGBT's, the exponentially growing group of "Nones" (those with no religious affiliation and/or Atheists), the 18-25 age group, and a fair number of senior citizens... Agreeably, some of these groups can overlap.

But, hey, you've got the overwhelming majority of the very pluralistic, diverse, culturally rich white group. Congratulations.

Note: You don't get to find a single black guy who votes Republican and say "See! We've got blacks too!"
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Old 04-15-2014, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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I have learned white people, regardless of party affiliation are bad. White conservative republicans, the worst of the worst, are hateful racists and homophobes but no evidence of such is presented; it is merely another stone to throw at whites for the sake of doing so.

White baby boomers are bad, and most are vile rednecks and the country would be better off when old rich white men die off.

Liberals are more than likely to go to college than republicans because republicans are stupid white rednecks. Liberals are educated geniuses compared to ignorant white republican rednecks. The posted percentages surely can't lie; it's here on the interweb.

Liberals are rich, white, educated and live in communities where those of color are prohibited and even looked down upon by the liberals living in these communities. Those not white but seeking to use the bike paths or other amenities in the vicinity are faced with racial bias at the hands of rich white liberals.

Young people, millenneals, hate rich white conservatives because they aren't gay or minorities.
Minorities hate conservatives because they are rich white people. As was posted - Millennial of color are universally revolted by conservatism. Wow, broad statement.

Republicans hate anyone of color and to be accepted by liberals; republicans - old rich white people - should become impoverished gay illegal Mexicans to remove themselves from being republican, old, rich, white, homophobic and racist - the root of all evils. It was posted here that republicans have done an excellent job at promoting themselves as the party of rich and redneck America.


Poor white people who happen to be republicans are stupid and racist rednecks who hate minorities because republicans tell them to. Stupid white republicans need to cater to Mexicans to gain their vote, even if it is not for the good of Mexicans. Maybe it was the rich white republicans...this all became confusing.

Millennial of color are universally revolted by conservatism. I still don't know what liberals want republicans to do to court minorities. Telling the truth isn't working even though minorities came here for the very things republicans stand for. It's part of being an American - you work hard and prosper. You don't need to sit home for the $1500 government will give you every month when you can get a real job. Sure, you have to put forth some effort but that is part of America.

Rich white liberals who live in nice neighborhoods are ultimately evil.

Mostly I learned there are some people who hide behind their bias and prejudices by posting hints of how they actually think rather than just coming out and saying it.

If you hate white people for whatever reason you have conjured in your mind come out and say it. Your feigned racism shadows that which you project upon others be they liberal or republican.

A lot of people like to throw the words democrat and liberal around and think they mean the same; wrong. The term we should be wary of is 'Progressive'. Progressives want to take this country to communism, the final goal of the left. Total control, ergo tyranny is what awaits us at the end of that path. Religion is bad in the eyes of a progressive and everyone should have a little red book. Progressives are all about the collective and would have us running like lemmings toward whatever they point to.

It seems white people are the reason everything is bad in America.

Did I miss anything?
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Old 04-15-2014, 03:02 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Today liberalism is largely white, European, often insulated in small communities and particular cities. Cities known for their liberal politics are often majority white. It is disappointing to visit places of organic food, bike trails, etc, and see few people of color.

America is changing. We have a growing immigrant population whose birth rates are much higher. We also have conservatives with a high birth rate. Liberals in General have a much lower birth rate.

Demographics is destiny. In 30 years, would liberalism the way it is defined today become much less prominent after more diverse groups and issues take center stage?

Baby boomers are a huge component of the liberal population. They will phase out.
'Bout the most inaccurate post I have seen in a while...... Makes me wonder if the whole thing is intended as tongue in cheek.

Liberals: Majority white...lower birth rate....few people of color...And boomers are liberal...HUH?!
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Old 04-15-2014, 03:13 PM
 
Location: USA
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I have learned white people, regardless of party affiliation are bad. White conservative republicans, the worst of the worst, are hateful racists and homophobes but no evidence of such is presented; it is merely another stone to throw at whites for the sake of doing so.

White baby boomers are bad, and most are vile rednecks and the country would be better off when old rich white men die off.

Liberals are more than likely to go to college than republicans because republicans are stupid white rednecks. Liberals are educated geniuses compared to ignorant white republican rednecks. The posted percentages surely can't lie; it's here on the interweb.

Liberals are rich, white, educated and live in communities where those of color are prohibited and even looked down upon by the liberals living in these communities. Those not white but seeking to use the bike paths or other amenities in the vicinity are faced with racial bias at the hands of rich white liberals.

Young people, millenneals, hate rich white conservatives because they aren't gay or minorities.
Minorities hate conservatives because they are rich white people. As was posted - Millennial of color are universally revolted by conservatism. Wow, broad statement.

Republicans hate anyone of color and to be accepted by liberals; republicans - old rich white people - should become impoverished gay illegal Mexicans to remove themselves from being republican, old, rich, white, homophobic and racist - the root of all evils. It was posted here that republicans have done an excellent job at promoting themselves as the party of rich and redneck America.


Poor white people who happen to be republicans are stupid and racist rednecks who hate minorities because republicans tell them to. Stupid white republicans need to cater to Mexicans to gain their vote, even if it is not for the good of Mexicans. Maybe it was the rich white republicans...this all became confusing.

Millennial of color are universally revolted by conservatism. I still don't know what liberals want republicans to do to court minorities. Telling the truth isn't working even though minorities came here for the very things republicans stand for. It's part of being an American - you work hard and prosper. You don't need to sit home for the $1500 government will give you every month when you can get a real job. Sure, you have to put forth some effort but that is part of America.

Rich white liberals who live in nice neighborhoods are ultimately evil.

Mostly I learned there are some people who hide behind their bias and prejudices by posting hints of how they actually think rather than just coming out and saying it.

If you hate white people for whatever reason you have conjured in your mind come out and say it. Your feigned racism shadows that which you project upon others be they liberal or republican.

A lot of people like to throw the words democrat and liberal around and think they mean the same; wrong. The term we should be wary of is 'Progressive'. Progressives want to take this country to communism, the final goal of the left. Total control, ergo tyranny is what awaits us at the end of that path. Religion is bad in the eyes of a progressive and everyone should have a little red book. Progressives are all about the collective and would have us running like lemmings toward whatever they point to.

It seems white people are the reason everything is bad in America.

Did I miss anything?
Sure, I can agree with that as much as anything else
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