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I can talk smack about Cochise or Pima County but I won't even tho I don't like Pima that much.
"blowing past Anglos"; please tell that to the hood rats who say it's all Honky's fault they're down while the African Black kids sitting beside them in school are too busy studying to act stupid.
EdwardA talked about that while going to a school outside of Washington DC.
Nah...you can't say ANYTHING about Cochise County for several reasons. One, you know nothing about it, and two, living in Mojave County pretty much means that you can't talk **** about anywhere else in the state. LMAO
Besides, in the middle of your opprobrium about Cochise County, you'd lose your train of thought since you'd have to go outside at some point and chase the Methheads off of your property
And what would you know about what "hoodrats" say? Dude...you're from Bullhead. You don't know any black people.
You demand that vouchers be used but then don't want to spend money to build the schools that these kids can use their vouchers to attend.
If you don't want to build the schools then stop screaming about vouchers!
Asian and African immigrants are usually more educated than white Americans. So why do you think that they will allow their kids to fail?
Why don't you tell us why Asian kids are academically whipping the collective asses of so many white males, and leaving white males to come to forums such as this to wail how a "white male can't get a break in the STEM fields", and so how blaming blacks for that?
Why don't you tell us about the informal quota system against Asians who must score HIGHER SAT scores than WHITES to attend the same schools? Why are whites favored into these schools when they cannot point to systematic racism as a possible cause for their underperformance? How come in an era when race cannot be used as a criteria to determine entrance do whites still find it easier to get into the best schools than Asians, and at a time when black and Hispanic enrollment in these schools is DECLINING?
You tell me; post up some links, please. I NEVER said a word about vouchers. Sheesh!
We all agree that the existing public schools are a disgrace. There are only sufficient spaces for 5% of the kids who go to public schools.
Where does that stat come from?
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What plans do you have to create capacity to accommodate them.
Force schools to change their education models in order to compete for students by providing vouchers to all students. Competition yields efficiency and excellence. Monopoly, which is what the public schools are, yields stagnant mediocrity or worse. How does anyone not know that?
Why don't you stop using terms like "bright" kids? This is exactly why vocational education is stigmatized. Various people have different skill sets. I am not sure that a graduate of a high level trade school is dumber than some one who scraped by on some liberal arts degree.
I agree. That's why it's more accurate to describe students by skill/ability level instead of bright or not bright.
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But yes the USA has to transform its educational system to meet the needs of its employers. Many complain about a shortage of skilled workers, this at a time when millions can't find jobs.
Exactly.
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Germany works because it isn't a society based on survival of the fittest as the USA is. They invest as much attention on capital on the blue collar work force as on training their captains of industry and enterprise.
You're mistaken in thinking that U.S. society is based on survival of the fittest. If that were true, the 80+ federal means-tested social welfare programs that spend over $1 trillion each year wouldn't exist. All those people on public assistance would be left without taxpayer-funded benefits to fend for themselves. Such is definitely not the case.
Why don't you stop using terms like "bright" kids? This is exactly why vocational education is stigmatized. Various people have different skill sets. I am not sure that a graduate of a high level trade school is dumber than some one who scraped by on some liberal arts degree.
But yes the USA has to transform its educational system to meet the needs of its employers. Many complain about a shortage of skilled workers, this at a time when millions can't find jobs.
Germany works because it isn't a society based on survival of the fittest as the USA is. They invest as much attention on capital on the blue collar work force as on training their captains of industry and enterprise.
Whether I use the term bright and dim doesn't change the fact that the kids in Germany that move onto higher education are the ones that are shown to be cognitively capable while the ones that get assigned to vocational schools are those students that aren't. That is the truth of the matter.
It would never work in America for exactly that reason. People couldn't handle the truth that a good portion of students are not cut out for college and that many would have to accept that their path is that of a tradesman. In America, kids are taught to believe that they are all the next Bill Gates. Most people don't dream of their child becoming a plumber, no matter how valuable and necessary that type of work is.
I have mixed feelings on this. What do you think? As far as material wealth is concerned, we are all better off. But poverty and incarceration still disproportionately affect blacks.
In some areas of the country, yes they are still struggling because they insist on handing over huge chunks of their hard earned dollars to people like this guy, then do a dance and scream for their dreams to come true instead of building their credit, investing their money into stocks and creating their own businesses.
As for the poverty and incarceration rate. I know that the Mother's life choices are what affects a child's chances of growing up in poverty and points them towards a life of struggle. The solutions are simple, stop having children with irresponsible people and then forcing your child to live in poverty when the father falls out of lust with the Mother. Be more involved in their child's education, buy books instead of clothes and sneakers. Stop being slaves to corporate America and learn to join corporate America. Learn to do their own hair, nails and invest those dollars in extra curricular activities for their child. Organize parent groups to help properly socialize the children instead of kids spending countless hours watching movies and playing video games where they learn their social interactions. And teach children self respect and work on having compassion for others.
Crime in the black community could drastically be cut if people would simply think of how their bad actions could affect others. Like stealing from a local store only discourages business from seeking out their neighborhoods, no jobs will want to buy into a neighborhood where they risk being robbed.
As for education, the #2 pathway to poverty for many black children, if parents don't like their school systems, then get the kids out before it destroys them. I know from experience it is a different world being in a classroom with educators who are not pushing for your success since they have their mind made up you are an automatic failure because of the tone of your skin and the location of your home. These black churches could start private schools just as the Catholics did to help guarantee their children a chance at success.
I know it is hard to be a minority in this county in some areas but for the most part, everyone is afforded the same opportunities if they desire to use them.
In some areas of the country, yes they are still struggling because they insist on handing over huge chunks of their hard earned dollars to people like this guy, then do a dance and scream for their dreams to come true instead of building their credit, investing their money into stocks and creating their own businesses.
As for the poverty and incarceration rate. I know that the Mother's life choices are what affects a child's chances of growing up in poverty and points them towards a life of struggle. The solutions are simple, stop having children with irresponsible people and then forcing your child to live in poverty when the father falls out of lust with the Mother. Be more involved in their child's education, buy books instead of clothes and sneakers. Stop being slaves to corporate America and learn to join corporate America. Learn to do their own hair, nails and invest those dollars in extra curricular activities for their child. Organize parent groups to help properly socialize the children instead of kids spending countless hours watching movies and playing video games where they learn their social interactions. And teach children self respect and work on having compassion for others.
Crime in the black community could drastically be cut if people would simply think of how their bad actions could affect others. Like stealing from a local store only discourages business from seeking out their neighborhoods, no jobs will want to buy into a neighborhood where they risk being robbed.
As for education, the #2 pathway to poverty for many black children, if parents don't like their school systems, then get the kids out before it destroys them. I know from experience it is a different world being in a classroom with educators who are not pushing for your success since they have their mind made up you are an automatic failure because of the tone of your skin and the location of your home. These black churches could start private schools just as the Catholics did to help guarantee their children a chance at success.
I know it is hard to be a minority in this county in some areas but for the most part, everyone is afforded the same opportunities if they desire to use them.
No, they are not. Minority children are disproportionately trapped in their abysmally performing defacto Jim Crow segregated public schools by Democrats who refuse to allow school vouchers.
Whether I use the term bright and dim doesn't change the fact that the kids in Germany that move onto higher education are the ones that are shown to be cognitively capable while the ones that get assigned to vocational schools are those students that aren't. That is the truth of the matter.
Either it doesn't really work that way, or they have a different basic concept of vocational division than the US "professional" and "trade" division.
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It would never work in America for exactly that reason. People couldn't handle the truth that a good portion of students are not cut out for college and that many would have to accept that their path is that of a tradesman. In America, kids are taught to believe that they are all the next Bill Gates. Most people don't dream of their child becoming a plumber, no matter how valuable and necessary that type of work is.
I have to smile grimily at someone who doesn't realize how much intelligence it takes to design the plumbing system for a 1,000,000 square foot office building (which is not done by the architects, but by plumbers).
But you're wrong. Only 30% of American kids ever get a bachelor's degree, so in fact, Americans are handling the truth that most aren't cut out for college.
The problem is that the education industry will not acknowledge the reality of its "market" and offer the appropriate "products." High schools only "sell" college, colleges of course only "sell" college, and government only "sells" college.
Unfortunately, most of us Boomer parents are also only selling college. I was a very unhappy witness of that happening with a niece and nephew. In both cases, I saw when the kids were in junior high that they were not college bound and implored their parents to point them early toward community college technical programs (which would in high school dictate more vocationally oriented courses).
Their parents insisted otherwise, and now both kids are in their twenties. Although they got their high school diplomas, they didn't do well enough in college prep curriculum to succeed in college, nor did they get the solid basic practical background to succeed in a technical certification program. For that matter, neither they nor their parents have fully come to understand that they should have done so all along.
Kids are left on their own to discover that they were sold on the wrong product their whole lives.
And society as a whole is sold on college, but it is the wrong product for most. The fact is that this society really only needs about 30% of people to have bachelor's degrees, and the majority of those should be the ones going into advanced professional programs--medicine, law, et cetera.
The vast majority of people who are getting bachelor's degrees today don't need them and shouldn't have them in terms of gainful employment (there are other reasons a bachelor's degree is a good thing, but gainful employment is not one of them).
We're in a situation where employers think an administrative assistant needs a bachelor's degree. They don't. Nor, for that matter, does a computer programmer need a bachelor's degree. Both need to be certified for their vocations, however.
In some areas of the country, yes they are still struggling because they insist on handing over huge chunks of their hard earned dollars to people like this guy, then do a dance and scream for their dreams to come true instead of building their credit, investing their money into stocks and creating their own businesses.
As for the poverty and incarceration rate. I know that the Mother's life choices are what affects a child's chances of growing up in poverty and points them towards a life of struggle. The solutions are simple, stop having children with irresponsible people and then forcing your child to live in poverty when the father falls out of lust with the Mother. Be more involved in their child's education, buy books instead of clothes and sneakers. Stop being slaves to corporate America and learn to join corporate America. Learn to do their own hair, nails and invest those dollars in extra curricular activities for their child. Organize parent groups to help properly socialize the children instead of kids spending countless hours watching movies and playing video games where they learn their social interactions. And teach children self respect and work on having compassion for others.
Crime in the black community could drastically be cut if people would simply think of how their bad actions could affect others. Like stealing from a local store only discourages business from seeking out their neighborhoods, no jobs will want to buy into a neighborhood where they risk being robbed.
As for education, the #2 pathway to poverty for many black children, if parents don't like their school systems, then get the kids out before it destroys them. I know from experience it is a different world being in a classroom with educators who are not pushing for your success since they have their mind made up you are an automatic failure because of the tone of your skin and the location of your home. These black churches could start private schools just as the Catholics did to help guarantee their children a chance at success.
I know it is hard to be a minority in this county in some areas but for the most part, everyone is afforded the same opportunities if they desire to use them.
You act as if people that constantly make poor life decisions can suddenly become introspective and turn their lives around. It can happen for some individuals, but this is not the way it works for most people.
The majority of people in poverty are the product of their own intellectual and moral inadequacies. You may see what you think is a simple solution, but it isn't simple for them. They don't see long term or understand cause and effect. There is no magic wand that can turn those that only understand immediate gratification and whose lives are ruled by base desires into productive members of society.
You act as if people that constantly make poor life decisions can suddenly become introspective and turn their lives around. It can happen for some individuals, but this is not the way it works for most people.
The majority of people in poverty are the product of their own intellectual and moral inadequacies. You may see what you think is a simple solution, but it isn't simple for them. They don't see long term or understand cause and effect. There is no magic wand that can turn those that only understand immediate gratification and whose lives are ruled by base desires into productive members of society.
Meh..that's nonsense.
People that have been screw ups in life turn their lives around all the time. Sure, often it's a bit late...sometimes too late. But it's not some rarity.
All people make bad decisions from time to time. Some much worse than others. But that doesn't make them irredeemable.
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