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Old 04-14-2014, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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From Car and Driver Magazine, May, 2014 issue. Fatality rate per 100 million miles traveled from 2000 - 2011. They pulled the data from the Dept of Transportation web site. The safest way to get from point A to point B is airlines followed closely by passenger cars. Motorcycles are off the chart (no surprise there), but light rail is tremendously dangerous too.

Passenger car 1.1
Light rail 22.6
Transit bus 3.7
commuter rail 10.8
Train 7.0
Air carrier 0.9
Motorcycles 31.5

I was surprised that rail in all forms has 10 to 20 times the fatality rate of passenger cars and air carriers. So not only does light rail cost more and benefit a tiny number of people, it's deathly dangerous.

Try this link;

ISSUU - 463a /magzus.com/ by tonilus

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Old 04-14-2014, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You forgot the per 100 million miles between 2000-2011. Are there even 100 million miles of light rail in the US? I highly doubt it.
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Old 04-14-2014, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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You forgot the per 100 million miles between 2000-2011. Are there even 100 million miles of light rail in the US? I highly doubt it.
??????????????

Nobody said there were 100 million miles of light rail.

The rate is per 100 million miles traveled.
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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??????????????

Nobody said there were 100 million miles of light rail.

The rate is per 100 million miles traveled.
Yeah, that is called cooking the books to make one thing look better than the rest. How many miles is traveled on light rail per year? When you flip the page, it looks like only a fraction of deaths happen on light rail compared to auto deaths that make up 80+% of the fatal accidents.
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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I think that is called "extrapolation", the statisticians best friend.

"Hmmm... We only have 10 million passenger miles, so we'll just multiply everything by whatever factor will extrapolate it to the number we want. That'll work."
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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??????????????

Nobody said there were 100 million miles of light rail.

The rate is per 100 million miles traveled.
I would assume it would mean that if 100 people were on one light rail vehicle as it traveled 1 mile it would be equal to 100 miles.

Boston has a very extensive light rail system and I can only think of one fatality in the past twenty or thirty years here and it was the operator who died.
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:09 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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"Light rail refers to streetcars, tramways, and trolleys; heavy rail includes trolleys and similar electric rail service"

This is not exactly the massive indictment of rail transit that you (and the car mag that published it) seem to be aiming for.
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Yeah, that is called cooking the books to make one thing look better than the rest. How many miles is traveled on light rail per year? When you flip the page, it looks like only a fraction of deaths happen on light rail compared to auto deaths that make up 80+% of the fatal accidents.
It's not cooking the books at all. It just pure facts. Light rail is 20 times more deadly than passenger cars per mile traveled. So it's much much saver to get from point A to point B via passenger car.

But you don't like it because it does not fit with your agenda.
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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"Light rail refers to streetcars, tramways, and trolleys; heavy rail includes trolleys and similar electric rail service"

This is not exactly the massive indictment of rail transit that you (and the car mag that published it) seem to be aiming for.
I wasn't aiming for anything. I read car mags every month. I saw the facts published and was surprised.

I also ride a motorcycle.... didn't try to hide those stats.
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It's not cooking the books at all. It just pure facts. Light rail is 20 times more deadly than passenger cars per mile traveled. So it's much much saver to get from point A to point B via passenger car.

But you don't like it because it does not fit with your agenda.
Except it wasn't done at per mile, but if you believe that then that is your choice. Per 100 million miles is a joke of a survey to make people buying a car magazine happy about their cars.

I could say the same about you, you like this data because it does fit your agenda even though it is an extreme stretch to get car numbers low.
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