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The pinacle of your debatting skills = Apples and Oranges. And you have the oradasity of saying "Bad post"?.. lmao...
You failed to refute his post. Reuniting Taiwan with China is far from "conquering the world". It's much closer to the US annexation of Puerto Rico.
For comparison's sake, could you tell me how many military bases the Chinese have around the world? How many Chinese soldiers are in North America, South America, Europe, Africa, and Australia? Compare Chinese colonization to French, Spanish, English, Portuguese, Dutch, and Italian colonization. How many civilizations have the Chinese conquered?
As I said, you're comparing apples and oranges. You're also resorting to straw man arguments. That's poor debate strategy. So yes, your post was bad. Your rebuttal was even worse. You resorted to personal attacks, but that's to be expected because there was no substance to your argument in the first place.
In reading the original story it appears that there is some question as to the source of the attack, meaning it might or might not be something from offical China sources or just a citizen(s).
China has a history of being a bit of a cyber bully with their own citizens:
Overall, China really has some problems with how they relate to the world via the internet, so based upon their paranoia, a cyberattack such as described in the OP wouldn't be a surprise to me.
You failed to refute his post. Reuniting Taiwan with China is far from "conquering the world". It's much closer to the US annexation of Puerto Rico.
For comparison's sake, could you tell me how many military bases the Chinese have around the world? How many Chinese soldiers are in North America, South America, Europe, Africa, and Australia? Compare Chinese colonization to French, Spanish, English, Portuguese, Dutch, and Italian colonization. How many civilizations have the Chinese conquered?
As I said, you're comparing apples and oranges. You're also resorting to straw man arguments. That's poor debate strategy. So yes, your post was bad. Your rebuttal was even worse. You resorted to personal attacks, but that's to be expected because there was no substance to your argument in the first place.
In all honesty, the reason why chinese colonization didnt get very far was simply because they were no way near the same league as the europeans were but to say china didnt try? in short, China just does'nt have the finesse but would if it could.
The points about China not having bases all over the world is well taken...however honestly they never had the technology or military ability to be a true global power in recent times. They have always had the manpower. But in just the past decade their military has developed beyond what any experts in the US thought remotely possible.
We have been sharing our technology with them for business purposes the past decade. Look at how they do business. They will send over the cheapest garbage they possibly can to save money. You can't trust those guys. I work with them in my business and we have been burned more than once.
I think another decade when the pendulum has swung farther and we are completely militarily and financially spent in the Middel East and they are even stronger, taking Taiwan is a given, and I would not be at all surprised if they get increasingly aggressive.
Here is another article about China's recent military upgrades.
The pace of China's military upgrading is causing concern in the Pentagon. Eric McVadon, a retired rear admiral, told a congressional commission in 2005 that China had achieved a “remarkable leap” in the modernisation of forces needed to overwhelm Taiwan and deter or confront any American intervention. And the pace of this, he said, was “urgently continuing”. By Pentagon standards, Admiral McVadon is doveish.
In its annual report to Congress on China's military strength, published in May, the Pentagon said China's “expanding military capabilities” were a “major factor” in altering military balances in East Asia. It said China's ability to project power over long distances remained limited. But it repeated its observation, made in 2006, that among “major and emerging powers” China had the “greatest potential to compete militarily” with America.
On paper at least, China's gains have been impressive. Even into the 1990s China had little more than a conscript army of ill-educated peasants using equipment based largely on obsolete Soviet designs of the 1950s and outdated cold-war (or even guerrilla-war) doctrine. Now the emphasis has shifted from ground troops to the navy and air force, which would spearhead any attack on Taiwan. China has bought 12 Russian Kilo-class diesel attack submarines. The newest of these are equipped with supersonic Sizzler cruise missiles that America's carriers, many analysts believe, would find hard to stop.
There are supersonic cruise missiles too aboard China's four new Sovremenny-class destroyers, made to order by the Russians and designed to attack aircraft-carriers and their escorts. And China's own shipbuilders have not been idle. In an exhibition marking the 80th anniversary, Beijing's Military Museum displays what Chinese official websites say is a model of a new nuclear-powered attack submarine, the Shang. These submarines would allow the navy to push deep into the Pacific, well beyond Taiwan, and, China hopes, help defeat American carriers long before they get close. Last year, much to America's embarrassment, a newly developed Chinese diesel submarine for shorter-range missions surfaced close to the American carrier Kitty Hawk near Okinawa without being detected beforehand.
American air superiority in the region is now challenged by more than 200 advanced Russian Su-27and Su-30 fighters China has acquired since the 1990s. Some of these have been made under licence in China itself. The Pentagon thinks China is also interested in buying Su-33s, which would be useful for deployment on an aircraft-carrier, if China decides to build one.
China doesn't have to change the world if it owns the world. If the Chinese military becomes superior to the US military, they will be able to use their military to control resources to their own ends and deny the resources to others. They could also start trouble with their neighbors, such as Korea or southeast Asia (Vietnam), if they got the inclination, since both at one time were part of China.
If it could take Taiwan in a breathe, It & They WOULD!!!
And whats that about taking the "SPRATLY Island" for its own many many thousands of miles of its coast? If anything, i think PHILIPPINES has right of claim to the islands since its close proximities from one another!!
They played their role in the North & South Korean war did'nt they?.
Do not try to make China being an innocent goodie goodie bystander, some of us do know about Asian history!!
I would'nt be the first to say America are angels, but they have made their mistakes and have tried to make amends and no doubt will continue to do so, "THEY" at the bottom of the ocean do have a heart and compassion and with so many ethenticies in the mix, makes them unique.
China however? well, i dont want to crash this thread any further, you make a thread and ill happily oblige!!
My girlfriend and her family is from Taiwan, her mother and sisters still live there, and her grandparents still live in Mainland...so, yes, indeed you are right.....everytime her father went to visit his parents, there was great fear, he might not be allowed back...
Clearly not well enough. Some of us are Asian and have parents majoring in Asian history.
I believe, in my heart of hearts, you make very light of the subject of China becoming a super power...and so have the Americans. They're military is not to be reckoned with. They are very big and very powerful...ours, unfortunately, is going down the tubes.
I believe, in my heart of hearts, you make very light of the subject of China becoming a super power...and so have the Americans. They're military is not to be reckoned with. They are very big and very powerful...ours, unfortunately, is going down the tubes.
Oh no no, don't misunderstand me cremebrulee--
I have no debate over the fact that China will become a super power. However what I am contesting is the definition of "super power". I don't disagree at all that China will soon become a powerful country that no one wants to **** off and that it will have a lot of say over world politics and issues.
What I do disagree with is the claim that China will try to "take over the world". The examples the person I quoted were simply invalid and quite frankly--pretty uneducated. China has never donned a "police the world" mindset, not ever since the communist party set in. The only places they do contest and claim are Tibet and Taiwan--and most Americans have not even heard the whole story other than the Taiwaneses screaming Taiwan is its own country and the Tibetan monks talking about freeing Tibet.
You can see China's "hands off" approach in interfering with other countries' political concerns with the recent Myanmar incident. The same rings true with issue of North Korea trying to bully the world. China doesn't try to meddle itself with trying to tell other countries what's wrong and what's right. It's political philosophy seems to be "you can do whatever you want but you better watch your butt if you even think of messing with me".
As one of the earlier posters mentioned, China's not looking to take over the world. Instead, it knows that it won't have to try to fight other countries when it gets to the point that China owns the world.
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