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Republican attendees at a March 22 event affirmed Wisconsin's right to secede from the union.
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one attendee objected: "Wait a minute, we're the party of Abraham Lincoln" — who, as a matter of historical fact, was not a big fan of secession. Someone else then rose to criticize Lincoln.
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it's ironic that Lincoln is having a hard time finding acceptance within the party of Lincoln,
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Schultz, 60, a Republican, thinks GOP support for such measures conveys that "we don't feel our ideas are attractive enough" to win elections, and hence must make it harder for some people to vote. He sees this, too, as contrary to Republican heritage, exemplified by President Eisenhower's support for voting rights.
Lincoln was a liar and a tyrant who violated the Constitution.
You're proud of that?
Lincoln imprisoned abolitionists engaging in Free Speech. Lincoln imprisoned newspaper editors engaging in Free Speech and Free Press. Lincoln imprisoned Americans engaging in Peaceable Assembly.
Lincoln denied them their rights under the 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments by refusing to try them in court.
What I'm hearing you say is that presidents should have the power and right to imprison Americans without trial for speaking out against war in Iraq/Afghanistan or Obamacare.
One day it will be your turn....
Lincoln did not have liberals to deal with. Had liberalism been present in the 1860s, Lincoln would have supported secession of the rational from the irrational.
The Confederacy was a minor threat the US compared to present day liberalism.
Lincoln was a liar and a tyrant who violated the Constitution.
You're proud of that?
Lincoln imprisoned abolitionists engaging in Free Speech. Lincoln imprisoned newspaper editors engaging in Free Speech and Free Press. Lincoln imprisoned Americans engaging in Peaceable Assembly.
Lincoln denied them their rights under the 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments by refusing to try them in court.
What I'm hearing you say is that presidents should have the power and right to imprison Americans without trial for speaking out against war in Iraq/Afghanistan or Obamacare.
One day it will be your turn....
Mircea
FDR and wilson did many of the same things during a time of war that lincoln did. does it excuse what they did? no. but they had reason to do what they did. in time of war, presidents do what they do for the good of the country as a whole, and hope that history judges them appropriately.
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Lincoln was a liar and a tyrant who violated the Constitution.
You're proud of that?
Lincoln imprisoned abolitionists engaging in Free Speech. Lincoln imprisoned newspaper editors engaging in Free Speech and Free Press. Lincoln imprisoned Americans engaging in Peaceable Assembly.
Lincoln denied them their rights under the 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments by refusing to try them in court.
What I'm hearing you say is that presidents should have the power and right to imprison Americans without trial for speaking out against war in Iraq/Afghanistan or Obamacare.
One day it will be your turn....
Really? You need a source for knowledge that is readily available for anyone who has the ability to open a book? Read a history book, do a Google search, put some effort into improving your education.
The Democratic Party has morphed into the Lincoln Republicans, the Republicans into quasi fascists and there is no longer any political party that supports the rights of those less than really, really rich.
Mircea - Yes, President Lincoln abused the Constitution and assumed many powers, such as Nationalizing the entire Railroad Industry and most commercial shipping. He figures he had a country to save and a war to win. After this was accomplished the rule of law was returned. It seems President Bush had a personal enemy to murder but didn't have the stones to do it himself so he had the rest of us spend billions to do it for him. How fortunate for him and costly for the country.
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Lincoln did not have liberals to deal with. Had liberalism been present in the 1860s, Lincoln would have supported secession of the rational from the irrational.
That statement is irrational as well as being unsupported by anything factual..
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The Confederacy was a minor threat the US compared to present day liberalism.
As present day liberalism is a minor threat compared to the scourge of modern day regressive conservatism.
burdell - The real danger to society is replacing free market capitalism with quasi or actual fascism that uses politics to protect existing wealth from risk and exclusivity by replacing market competition with oligopoly. Our Neo-conservative intellectuals excel at implementing this new "normal".
This is what has been happening in Western economies since WW2 was started and the industries realized if the war ever actually ended they would face actual competition and vastly reduced profit.
Yes. It is an act of faith for the Conservatives in section of the country that tried to secede and LOST. Fortunately they lost more than just their slave based plantation aristocratic economy. Eventually they lost legal racial segregation as well. Now they are also losing religion connected politics. Pretty soon, hopefully, the Conservative wanna be tyrants, economic, religious and social, will loose anyone to force their tyranny on. Their victims will be legally free to be themselves instead of some bully's terrified chattel.
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