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I did. and there are those spouting off the "seperation of church and state" which is no where in the constitution!
the government will favor no specific religion. I can't see how if you are getting your tax money to pay for a religious school, its favoring that specific religion?
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Originally Posted by le roi
i bet if you read the thread, you'd stumble across the discussion of this very topic
I think we should outlaw public education all together. It has been a miserable failure and is used to indoctrinate people to propaganda and government control.
Success Academy in Harlem (NYC).
85% pass rate on NYS Math tests.
Not one NYC public school can come even close to that score.
None of those children come from "wealthy" backgrounds.
The parents aren't wealthy either but are heavily involved and did something to create that kind of education environment found in wealthy private schools.
Originally Posted by middle-aged mom No problem provided the schools are not religious and I say this as someone who sent her kid to a Catholic high school that made religion an elective.
I oppose paying parents to home school because the opportunities for abuse are obvious.
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Why shouldnt people have a choice?
It's already happening now in public schools.
Teachers sleeping with their students.
The occasional teacher has been "sleeping with" the occasional student in public and private schools, since forever. The internet just makes us more aware of it when it happens, now.
There was a woman teacher " sleeping with" a male student when I was in high school back in the 70's.
By abuse I meant financial. What is to prevent someone from plopping their kids in front of Andy from Mayberry reruns all day and cashing in vouchers? How does one prevent fraud? Most parents do not have the skills or the time to teach their own children. How many cash-strapped families would welcome a windfall of $10,000 per child?
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We shouldn't fund public schools period, at least not nationally nor at the state level. Communities should decide that at the lowest possible level and operate independently, and they can fund whatever they want however they want, pursuant to what the community agrees on.
So you would argue that we keep sinking billions of dollars into the public school system (especially poorly preforming inner city school). We keep putting more money to provide that basic safety net?
What happens when society eventually runs out of taxpayer money for basic safety nets like poorly performing public schools in the USA? Than we have austerity?
I guess you would say we just start taking "rich" people's bank accounts like they did in Greece to keeping putting more money into the system.
You are aware that you are using to much logic on bUU, right?
Private schools are not geared for the wealthiest. It would depend on the school. Obama sends his girls to Sidwell Friends School which starts at $35,000 K to grade 4, then it increases, unlike private Catholic schools where the tuition in elementary school is probably %10 of what the Obama's pay. Many of the children come from middle income homes where parents sacrifice to see that their child(ren) get a good education and many parents started an education fund from the time the child is born. Tuition varies depending on the private school.
Private schools are fine with me... just don't make me pay to send your kids there.
So you would argue that we keep sinking billions of dollars into the public school system (especially poorly preforming inner city school). We keep putting more money to provide that basic safety net?
You're welcome to come up with alternatives other than those that dump those folks you don't care about into the veritable refuse heap, as the perspectives you support so often do. If you cannot put in place something that is better for everyone, or at least better for those most vulnerable in society, then simply admit it, and acknowledge that your preference for making things better for yourself is rightfully not society's priority.
Here in this public/private school funding issue we see another embodiment of the self-centered echo chamber that fosters so many of society's problems - folks arguing for what's best for themselves and the people they care about, without regard for those they couldn't care less about, people with less financial or political power who they feel happy to marginalize to serve their selfish aims. The right-wing has really done a great job corrupting their sycophants' morality into this egoistic, avaricious mania that they prefer.
People who send their children to private school are still paying the taxes towards state education for others, so the more children who go private the large the money pot left to educate children at state schools and the smaller the classes. If anything private education should be encouraged. I don't agree with others paying for private schools, however such institutions tend to receive charitable donations and endowments, which enable them to give scholarships to less well off members of society and this should also be encouraged.
In New Hampshire where I reside we have local funding of education. I pay about $300 per month to support a very expensive and very good public school system. I am willing to do this because I believe in a well educated society. I also pay taxes in a relatively poor district in Northern NH. That town simply does not have the resources to hire excellent teachers and the students suffer even through the tax burden is proportionate to my primary town. In education you really do get what you can afford.
If we added the tax burden of supporting private education both the taxes and the educational differences would increase. IMHO any parent that wants to send their child to a private specialty school can do so but the cost of this special treatment is on them and not added to mine. The irony is my wife and I have never had any children to be educated at public expense. Maybe we should have received a "voucher" for not using the system?
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