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Old 12-08-2007, 04:08 PM
 
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That's not the reason at all. Military in the US always has to deffer to civilian leadership and not get involved in politics. Retired military is different.
Valid argument.

I'm not sure if I felt enough about my convictions to make the issue such a strong point after my retirement, that I would keep my mouth shut during my employment.

Thank god I'm self employed..
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Old 12-08-2007, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Boise
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Well I think anyone who wants to serve should be able to. I think its funny however that this was brought up in a Republican debate, by a hillary supporter, when it was her husband, a democrat, who introduced it.
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Old 12-08-2007, 04:43 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I agree, the military really needs to get past this gay participation problem.


It wouldn't be a bad thing for the civilian population to get past it either.
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Old 12-08-2007, 04:55 PM
 
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Well I think anyone who wants to serve should be able to. I think its funny however that this was brought up in a Republican debate, by a hillary supporter, when it was her husband, a democrat, who introduced it.
You know, thats not something that the news channels actually discussed.. it was all about the surprise that he was allowed to ask it, didnt once discuss the fact that her husband is the one that introduced the bill.
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Old 12-08-2007, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I agree, the military really needs to get past this gay participation problem.
You will first have to convince the front line troops that having gays in the military is not a problem -

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Old 12-08-2007, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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You will first have to convince the front line troops that having gays in the military is not a problem -

I think if the military brass supports it the frontline troops ultimately will too.

I wouldn't expect it to happen overnight, but I do suspect that over a period of a decade or so the acceptance would become more prevalent. I believe we will always have incidents of intolerance playing out in admonishable behaviors/incidents, but I think these incidents would become fewer over time too.
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Old 12-08-2007, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I think if the military brass supports it the frontline troops ultimately will too.
Without going into details, I have contact with a whole bunch of those frontline troops - and their commanders

They don't want it - their commanders do not want it. Within the last 2 weeks, I spoke with a 2 Star - the conversation included this very issue. The phrase he used is "over my dead body" - and "it will ruin the military"
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Old 12-08-2007, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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No doubt that is true today, doesn't mean it would be true a decade from now. Change is difficult, and change in attitude even moreso. Gay acceptance in the younger generation is greater than our older generations, and I don't believe that will reverse.

Senior Citizens at Odds with Young Americans over Gay Rights
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Old 12-08-2007, 05:45 PM
 
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Besides; being that an inordinate percentage of linguists, etc. out of the general military population are Gay,

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What?? Now you have my attention, Why do you suppose that is if it is indeed a fact?
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Old 12-08-2007, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Without going into details, I have contact with a whole bunch of those frontline troops - and their commanders

They don't want it - their commanders do not want it. Within the last 2 weeks, I spoke with a 2 Star - the conversation included this very issue. The phrase he used is "over my dead body" - and "it will ruin the military"
Anymore; with women on the de facto front lines; Jessica Lynch comes mind......surely it would be no worse for Gays who do not act like 'queens'.
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